nethertonowl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Django said: If Moore let the defenders get on with their job of defending and getting rid instead of trying to imitate Beckenbaur then Dunkley is fine for this level Sign a prooper left back, play a back four, stop playing out from the back all the time. Pick a settled four and stop chopping and changing. defence fine. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm an Essex Owl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, BRUCE LEE said: Better than Forestieri at left back Yes that was Monk’s high watermark. Comes to something though when we are already comparing DM to our worst managerial decision in loving memory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Moore gave an explanation after the game why he played Johnson there which kind of made sense. It could have worked if we’d have been on the front foot that first half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Just now, I'm an Essex Owl said: Yes that was Monk’s high watermark. Comes to something though when we are already comparing DM to our worst managerial decision in loving memory He's not died! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel. Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Looking at that defensive line up it’s no wonder we can’t manage set plays… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm an Essex Owl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: He's not died! He’s dead to me though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel. Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, S72 Owl said: Moore gave an explanation after the game why he played Johnson there which kind of made sense. It could have worked if we’d have been on the front foot that first half. It made sense from the point that he’s left footed and DM wants to play out from the back. But that possession at the back nearly lost us the game before it started. In fairness that wasn’t MJs fault but it’s the basic things like winning headers from set plays that have also cost us and I wouldn’t have that as Johnson or Palmers strongest attribute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgyowl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, shezzas left peg said: Seems to me DM knows he hasn't the world class ball playing CBs needed to play the style he wants, so he's now shoe Horning fullbacks and midfielders in now to prove it works rather than adapt to a style and system that suits the personnel at his disposal, this is only going to end one way as his stubbornness is costing him and us. Dunkley didn't look at all happy today infact he looked absolutely peed off, DM' S stubbornness is bordering on jos's and that didn't end well for him, time to act DC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Been poor at the back since Moore split the Hutchinson/Iorfa partnership up. Think we really miss Hutchinson and his leadership at the back. Let's hope he is back soon. (Getting him and Windass into the starting 11 could define our season ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, nethertonowl said: Sign a prooper left back, play a back four, stop playing out from the back all the time. Pick a settled four and stop chopping and changing. defence fine. Exactly I think the manager should concentrate on the basics before trying to play like 2009 Barcelona 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Stainless said: For me it says more about a severe lack of trust in dunkley. Not been this season first time in nearly 30 years I've not had a season ticket. However all reports I've seen are that dunkley has been terrible. Either way Palmer as wide centre half i can see but Johnson seems very strange. Dunkley is awful,Brown is....for me iorfa has gone backwards..defensively we look worse than last season if that's possible Hutch improves it but the scattergun recruitment of cast offs is coming home to roost... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, nethertonowl said: Sign a prooper left back, play a back four, stop playing out from the back all the time. Pick a settled four and stop chopping and changing. defence fine. We can all see it..except DM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 40 minutes ago, Holmowl said: 100%. Pathetic use of our wage budget. I'm now very concerned about it. Remember at the back end of summer when we had bought in 8 or 9 fresh faces, and it looked like we were going to have a strong XI, supplemented by a few smart loans and a few youngsters ready to step up to the plate? It seemed like a pragmatic, tight-knit squad approach that would allow some integration for our eldest academy prospects to step up to the plate and show us what they were made of for 10/15 appearances this season... as well as fighting the fire in our bank balance. Now we just look like a bloated, disorganised rabble... where the youngsters see the door to first team football close just a little bit more and we dig another couple of shovels worth of dirt deeper into the financial mire. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SiJ Posted October 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2021 The moment I realised we were playing with three at the back with Johnson on the left side was the moment any remaining support for Moore went. That is the sort of team a manager picks when he's lost the plot and is throwing things at the wall to see if it sticks. He has been changing the team pretty much every single week, but in the last four or five, it has got increasingly farcical and this sudden switch to 3-5-2 will be the end of him and likely kill off our season. I said it in another thread that once managers start picking teams like he did yesterday, you know they're done for. It'll only get more absurd and erratic from now on - he's completely gone off the deep end and won't come back. Expect to see more players shoehorned into unsuitable positions going forward. Good managers, irrespective of level, have a style of play and usually a set formation or two. Darren Guardiola wanted to go with a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, but because he kept changing the personnel all the time it wasn't working. He's now thrown that in the bin and decided that a cobbled together 3-5-2 is the answer despite us clearly not having the right players for said formation. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Paul.. said: Forestieri at left back, JJ at right back, make a billion times more sense than a pretty weak willed left winger at left centre back! Especially when you have Callum Paterson who's big strong, burly, puts himself about, and has played a lot of his career at right back... I meant a better comedy selection Worded it wrong Moore is on another planet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Johnson may be a number of things, but anyone who has seen him play knows he is NOT a defender. Every successful team has stable partnerships within it. Our team is decided by some sort of random number generator or a blindfold and a pin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Just mental. I had family stuff to do yesterday so I was able to avoid the latest disaster, but he’s really losing the plot isn’t he? I just don’t see how he can turn it around from here, sadly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spion Kop Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, StudentOwl said: I'm now very concerned about it. Remember at the back end of summer when we had bought in 8 or 9 fresh faces, and it looked like we were going to have a strong XI, supplemented by a few smart loans and a few youngsters ready to step up to the plate? It seemed like a pragmatic, tight-knit squad approach that would allow some integration for our eldest academy prospects to step up to the plate and show us what they were made of for 10/15 appearances this season... as well as fighting the fire in our bank balance. Now we just look like a bloated, disorganised rabble... where the youngsters see the door to first team football close just a little bit more and we dig another couple of shovels worth of dirt deeper into the financial mire. Agree with your comments, Hunt and Brennan would have excelled in this league, yet we send them out on loan. Someone tell Moore it's not La Liga, it's League 1. Being to every game and the quality of the opposition players is poor but our tactics with the players we've got is making teams play better than us and we look as bad as I've seen in 60 years of watching Wednesday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Owl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 From the past few seasons that I remember: Johnson - LCB under Moore Bannan - RM under Moore Van Aken - LWB under Pulis Iorfa - CDM under Pulis Forestieri - LWB under Monk Reach - ST under Monk Penney - RW under Jos Wallace - ST under Jos Any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Incognito Owl said: From the past few seasons that I remember: Johnson - LCB under Moore Bannan - RM under Moore Van Aken - LWB under Pulis Iorfa - CDM under Pulis Forestieri - LWB under Monk Reach - ST under Monk Penney - RW under Jos Wallace - ST under Jos Any more? JJ - RB under Laws, not exactly recent but it has to be in there! Hutchinson - "No10" role under Jos, I'm remembering that one right? Didn't dream it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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