Your best 11

[jonnyowl]

2 hours ago, Bouncing Owl said:

No one has a clue. We are all coming up with different formations and line ups. 
 

Personally, I think we would fare better if Luongo was fit and he played CDM and a fit Hutch was partnering Iorfa at centre half.

All ifs and buts but that in itself would provide more balance to the team. 

That's because we have a big squad with strength in depth.

 

Just a shame the person who picks the side doesn't know his best 11.

[Daniele Giovanni]

3 hours ago, jonnyowl said:

I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't put Bannan in the first 11.

 

Best player by a mile!

OK but he's a mile away from the others, he's on Penistone Lane sometimes

[Mike Hunt]

31 minutes ago, Daniele Giovanni said:

OK but he's a mile away from the others, he's on Penistone Lane sometimes

Penistone lane 

 

[Daniele Giovanni]

2 hours ago, Mike Hunt said:

Penistone lane 

 

I do apologise, living away from Sheffield for many years does make you forget many things, you know what I meant anyway

[slinger208b]

This is according to Transfermarkt.co.uk with their current market values (High to low) and listed positions (without shoe-horning) to fit a recognised formation;

 

£14.4M

 

      Paterson    Berahino

                 Windass

      Wing   Bannan  Luongo

Brown   Dunkley   Iorfa   Hunt

                     BPF

 

...

[NOT jack whitham]

On 11/10/2021 at 06:29, Daniele Giovanni said:

Out of all the players we have fit or injured, seriously who are our best 11 who should be playing week in week out? 

I haven't really seen some of them, so can't comment

Any eleven minus Bannan

[pazowl55]

Peacock-Farrell 

 

Hunt

Iorfa 

Hutchinson 

Palmer

 

Adeniran 

Bannan 

Paterson

 

Windass

Brown

Gregory

 

 

[Guest]

On 11/10/2021 at 06:21, jonnyowl said:

                BPF

 

Hunt Iorfa Hutchinson Brown

 

          Luongo Bannan

 

Corbeanu Adenarin Shopido

 

               Widnass

 

More pace in the side and hopefully players that don't give the ball away so cheaply.

 

 

That's the team I would like to see.

Obviously injuries have dictated that hasn't happened yet but we do have the options to pick players in positions that suit them in that formation. 

Gregory or Berahino, or even Paterson at a push can take the Windass position, the pace is not a big concern if we play the wingers and get the pace from them.

 

With Luongo injured a proper holding midfielder has to play alongside Bannan, we only really have Hutchinson as that option with Gibson in at the back. Without a tackler in the holding role it all falls down like at Plymouth, when we had plenty of the ball but were like a knife through hot butter to get past. It also fails when we shoehorn defenders or strikers in as wingers and play wingers at full-back. 

[pazowl55]

21 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 It also fails when we shoehorn defenders or strikers in as wingers and play wingers at full-back. 

There was a winger in at full back in that team. 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

There was a winger in at full back in that team. 

 

Who?

The vast majority of Brown's professional 1st team appearances have been at left-back. 

[pazowl55]

3 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Who?

The vast majority of Brown's professional 1st team appearances have been at left-back. 

Buts that's not how Moore sees him. He sees him as a winger.  He clearly brought him to probably play left back because of the reason you have given. But he has seen something in him that tells him he is a winger.

[Guest]

Just now, pazowl55 said:

Buts that's not how Moore sees him. He sees him as a winger.  He clearly brought him to probably play left back because of the reason you have given. But he has seen something in him that tells him he is a winger.

 

And instead plays Johnson, who is a liability defensively at left-back and his errors keep costing goals, then says he is playing well and drops him from the squad. 

 

Moore doesn't know what to do with half his players - as he said himself we may see Brown at left-back, wing-back, left-wing. Hardly good for continuity of the team.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/darren-moore-chansiri-brown-bolton-21806589

 

I'd rather have the left-back at left-back and a winger who has been successful recently at this level at left-wing. 

 

Square pegs in square holes, so you point about the formation I agreed with having a winger at full-back is incorrect.  

 

 

[pazowl55]

4 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

And instead plays Johnson, who is a liability defensively at left-back and his errors keep costing goals, then says he is playing well and drops him from the squad. 

 

Moore doesn't know what to do with half his players - as he said himself we may see Brown at left-back, wing-back, left-wing. Hardly good for continuity of the team.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/darren-moore-chansiri-brown-bolton-21806589

 

I'd rather have the left-back at left-back and a winger who has been successful recently at this level at left-wing. 

 

Square pegs in square holes, so you point about the formation I agreed with having a winger at full-back is incorrect.  

 

 

Palmer is the best player we have by a mile at the moment to play left back. Then play a Corbeanu or Brown infront of him to offer the width going forward he can not.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

Palmer is the best player we have by a mile at the moment to play left back. Then play a Corbeanu or Brown infront of him to offer the width going forward he can not.

 

Shodipo is a scoring threat and will get at defenders. He showed that against Shrewsbury, deserves more of a run in the side. Brown works hard, can't fault him but play a full-back as a winger and the goal threat diminishes and the attack is disjointed, just as it is when playing Berahino in a wide position. 

 

Play Brown as a wing-back, a full-back or not at all. Play wingers on the wing. 

 

We are the lowest scorers outside the bottom 3 for a reason. 

[pazowl55]

18 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Shodipo is a scoring threat and will get at defenders. He showed that against Shrewsbury, deserves more of a run in the side. Brown works hard, can't fault him but play a full-back as a winger and the goal threat diminishes and the attack is disjointed, just as it is when playing Berahino in a wide position. 

 

Play Brown as a wing-back, a full-back or not at all. Play wingers on the wing. 

 

We are the lowest scorers outside the bottom 3 for a reason. 

Shodipo is an option. But he cuts inside alot and with Palmer at left back I want a player who would hug the touchline there.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

Shodipo is an option. But he cuts inside alot and with Palmer at left back I want a player who would hug the touchline there.

 

Lowest scorers outside the bottom 3.

Not unrelated to the fact we play left-backs on the wing, strikers with no real positional sense of playing wide on the the wing, while having wingers on the bench.

If you play 4-2-3-1 - which if successful often involves wingers contributing goals as well as assists, then cutting inside is part of the option. Having a left-back paying left-wing and crossing occasionally to the sole striker is not working. 

 

Shots per game tells a sorry story of our attacking prowess with this approach

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/8/Seasons/8620/Stages/19795/TeamStatistics/England-League-One-2021-2022

[pazowl55]

3 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Lowest scorers outside the bottom 3.

Not unrelated to the fact we play left-backs on the wing, strikers with no real positional sense of playing wide on the the wing, while having wingers on the bench.

If you play 4-2-3-1 - which if successful often involves wingers contributing goals as well as assists, then cutting inside is part of the option. Having a left-back paying left-wing and crossing occasionally to the sole striker is not working. 

 

Shots per game tells a sorry story of our attacking prowess with this approach

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/8/Seasons/8620/Stages/19795/TeamStatistics/England-League-One-2021-2022

Shodipo it is then. Dropping Palmer from left back and putting a winger in there is worse, as we will struggle to win games, as it has been proven.

[room0035]

We have players for a 4-4-2, the two games we have played 4-4-2 we have won both games. For me the best team is the one that goes out there to try and win games not prevent the other team from winning. We need a switch in mindset, make other teams adapt to play our way, instead of copying and changing formation and players each game, to fit the teams we are playing it is not working.

 

BPF

Palmer/ Iorfa / Hutch/ Brown

Corbeanu /Adeniran/ Luongo / Shodipa

Berahino / Windass

 

But as there is more chance of winning the Euromillions than of Luongo being match fit for more than a few games a season so he would be replaced with Paterson. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, pazowl55 said:

Shodipo it is then. Dropping Palmer from left back and putting a winger in there is worse, as we will struggle to win games, as it has been proven.

 

Palmer has proved for more than a season that he is just as comfortable at left-back as he is at right-back. It may stop him from getting crosses in but if we play attacking as a 4-2-3-1 and leave the wingers free to do their jobs then the full-backs need to defend as a priority, not create chances. 

 

The stats this season so far show that what we have been best at is intercepting - 

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/8/Seasons/8620/Stages/19795/TeamStatistics/England-League-One-2021-2022 - better than every team in the division. 

 

That's great, but to me this seems largely as a result of our tendency to sit in, we win the ball back in our half because we have so many players, including our supposed attacking ones, in defensive positions. When we do win the ball back through breaking up passes, we are too deep to do anything with it. By comparison, our stats for tackling are bottom-half - we aren't particularly good at winning the ball back in that situation and breaking forward, that's why having a ball winner like Luongo and Hutchinson in this formation is vital, to break play up and allow others to get further up field rather than all having to sit in to get the ball back. 

 

 

 

 

[pazowl55]

2 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Palmer has proved for more than a season that he is just as comfortable at left-back as he is at right-back. It may stop him from getting crosses in but if we play attacking as a 4-2-3-1 and leave the wingers free to do their jobs then the full-backs need to defend as a priority, not create chances. 

 

The stats this season so far show that what we have been best at is intercepting - 

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/8/Seasons/8620/Stages/19795/TeamStatistics/England-League-One-2021-2022 - better than every team in the division. 

 

That's great, but to me this seems largely as a result of our tendency to sit in, we win the ball back in our half because we have so many players, including our supposed attacking ones, in defensive positions. When we do win the ball back through breaking up passes, we are too deep to do anything with it. By comparison, our stats for tackling are bottom-half - we aren't particularly good at winning the ball back in that situation and breaking forward, that's why having a ball winner like Luongo and Hutchinson in this formation is vital, to break play up and allow others to get further up field rather than all having to sit in to get the ball back. 

 

 

 

 

It's why we need brown in the team because he is a massive outlet with his pace as a winger to carry the ball up the pitch and its why we need Windass because he will drop in and closes the gap we leave between the attack and the midfield when we drop so deep. Which is what I said in other thread Hooper and Forestieri did magnificently.