Costello 77 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, alanharper said: Surely if Bannan is going forward then it's the job of the other 2 central midfielders to fill those gaps? The problem with this is they would have to follow Bannan around when he takes up his multiple positions. He pops up everywhere and anywhere...so it's difficult to fill holes when the two to drop in might be 40 yards away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Bannan also suffers from not having Kieran Lees intelligence of movement in there with him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 It looked pretty obvious yesterday that Wing and Adeniran weren't able to play properly because of him. One moment he was on the right, the next he’s on the left, a few minutes later he’s doing a pirouette in the QB role etc etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 We're playing the Southgate 4231. We need 2 DMs to make it work, leaving the Mason Mount position in midfield. The rest are breaking forwards. He isn't any of these. Bannan doesn't have the discipline to play this formation. If he could stay in the DM position without going walkabout, he could run this league. But he won't. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Orlando_Trustful said: It looked pretty obvious yesterday that Wing and Adeniran weren't able to play properly because of him. One moment he was on the right, the next he’s on the left, a few minutes later he’s doing a pirouette in the QB role etc etc etc. So it was Bannan’s fault that Wing and Adeniran were unable to pass the ball, tackle or find space. He started on the right yesterday then was brought in centrally because Wing and Adeniran were atrocious. How can that be Bannans fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, alanharper said: Surely if Bannan is going forward then it's the job of the other 2 central midfielders to fill those gaps? You’d think so wouldn’t you or we would never get up the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, prowl said: I keep thinking of all those times he goes on a race from the half way line to pressurise the keeper. No chance of success and he leaves a massive hole in our defensive structure. I don't remember a single occasion of that yesterday? Paterson did it a couple of times and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Paul.. said: I don't remember a single occasion of that yesterday? Paterson did it a couple of times and rightly so. Exactly people make things up to embellish their arguments I have never seen Bannan try to close the keeper down from the halfway line unless the keeper is way out of his box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Willow Owl said: So it was Bannan’s fault that Wing and Adeniran were unable to pass the ball, tackle or find space. He started on the right yesterday then was brought in centrally because Wing and Adeniran were atrocious. How can that be Bannans fault. Only in the minds of the Bannan Haterz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 best thing to do with Bannan is give him a role and make him stick to it...This "every" dead ball scenario and roaming all over the pitch isn't working...The bloke is the most talented in the team inmo..but its diluted by trying to do too much, to the point of almost trying to everything...Its discipline he needs, a format and parameters to work in and let the others players simply do their jobs at times he will throw his hands up in the air when another player passes it to another bloody Wednesday player instead of him...I can't fault his commitment , but at times...its simply misplaced. Opposition managers see this...I mean if you can sit on the bloody Kop as an ordinary supporter and notice it..It must be like a bloody klaxon to any manager who does their homework 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Plain as the nose on one's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 5 hours ago, Willow Owl said: Not 2, but over the 10 league games we’ve played so far this season. 1- Bannan was our best midfielder yesterday. 2- Wing was the worst in our midfield. Wouldn’t accept the phone call as you cannot defend the indefensible Ok we'll use your number of games Average points per game without Bannan = 3 Average points per game with Bannan = 1.3 You free to rest your case on those stats 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Bannan is a great player .Lets look at him as a passer , Put a ball winner next to him .The ball winners job give it to Barry and give him the instructions get it to either wing STRAIGHT AWAY not 10 mins later .The wingers job get down the wing ,Cross over for Gregory to have a go or nod down for his strike partner .Carry on as we are and we will carry on going backwards .Moore is no fool surely he can see its not working . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: Bannan is a great player .Lets look at him as a passer , Put a ball winner next to him .The ball winners job give it to Barry and give him the instructions get it to either wing STRAIGHT AWAY not 10 mins later .The wingers job get down the wing ,Cross over for Gregory to have a go or nod down for his strike partner .Carry on as we are and we will carry on going backwards .Moore is no fool surely he can see its not working . We do need to move from defence to attack much quicker. Bannan does his stuff and slows us down. The coaches and manager want him to play like that which would be baffling, They haven't given him instructions on how they want him to play which would be dereliction of duty or Bannan plays his way and will not play to instructions. I really don't have a clue which is the case but it needs sorting if we are to improve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Mike Hunt said: I have never seen Bannan try to close the keeper down from the halfway line unless the keeper is way out of his box You're kidding, right? Do you just close your eyes? He does it probably once every two games. Here's a stereotypical example of it, maybe the 1/10 times it does something effective, rather than leaving us a man short because he's cream crackered himself for the next 15 seconds out of position 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 This is the sort of thread thats actually worrying.. As a Wednesday fan, you don't really expect...or i don't really expect to see the sort of in depth details of whats wrong...Unless of course its glaringly obvious to folk who don't really understand the "In depth" tactical stuff. You have ordinary supporters on here...and we all seem to see the glaringly obvious...no matter how good you think your knowledge of football is....sometimes if it walks like Duck, looks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck...Its a f.ookin' Duck DM can hum and err as much as he likes...but it patently isn't working..it works in fits and starts, but theres nowt consistent, apart from..we can't play slowly out from the back, cos no-one is comfortable doing it...and its cost us in game after game... Players simply need to know where Bannan is playing, what his role is..recognise the margins he works within...and do their job...Bannan needs to accept these margins and get on with it. Moore needs to recognise who is actually doing their job..and play them...not drop them to try some other permutation that he thinks might be applicable to whatever opposition...We should be good enough..if we aren't..fair enough 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Are we moaning now because we have a player trying too hard? Is it really that difficult for the players who aren’t pressing the ball to organise themselves when it happens. What about teams who press the ball all over the pitch? They must be really easy to get through. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 No mate..We are mainly debating a player that "Tries too much" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, BIG D said: Are we moaning now because we have a player trying too hard? No. It's about a player doing what tickles his fancy and the rest of the team trying to play a system. It doesn't work. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, BIG D said: Are we moaning now because we have a player trying too hard? Is it really that difficult for the players who aren’t pressing the ball to organise themselves when it happens. What about teams who press the ball all over the pitch? They must be really easy to get through. It's showboating not trying. If one of your midfield players loses concentration and leaves a gap your defensive structure falls apart. If one does it deliberately someone needs to have a word, if they don't they are negligent. It's for the manager and coaches to sort out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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