Not another bannan thread

[@owlstalk]

17 minutes ago, Barnsley youth said:

We need bannan to step back a bit and let the other lads have a go …until he stops acting like that spoilt child in the playground who wants to take his ball home with him because nobody’s passing to him we will not change!

 

 

I could break down what you've posted here and analyse it point by point

But I won't cos I just can't be arsed with posts like this one anymore

They have the same credibility as those posts where people tell us what players are thinking "He's not as good as he thinks he is" etc

[Mr Mercury]

25 minutes ago, BIG D said:

The new buzz word for the Bannan haters is ‘pivot’

 

[basegreenowl]

Someone mentioned 4-4-2 and its a good point. Go back to basics. Especially at home. Maybe the personnel can't play DMs systems too well. Systems need the right kind of payers. Yep vary the tactics up. I know we aren't Man City but the Pep way of all players contributing ain't bad. Like total football philosophy. Maybe this squad is more average than we thought so at least we should use all of it than just going through one player. And maybe the player in question ain't quite or we'd have for sure sold him. Right? There's another ten players and a manager. Just as contributions and collective responsibility should be shared maybe the criticism too. 

[@owlstalk]

8 minutes ago, Barnsley youth said:

Your one of those annoying people is always correct in everything you say and do aren’t you!!I can’t believe you were made so perfect and knowledgeable 

No need to get personal mate

[Andrew_Owl]

1 hour ago, BIG D said:

What a load of b0llocks.

Why post sh ite like this?

 

 

Just a different opinion to your own 

[FlyingOwl]

Don’t get people slagging him off. Reminds me of the stick Brunt used to get.

 

Even if he had a ‘poor game’ yesterday. He got an assist, would have been two assists if it wasn’t for a dodgy linesman. He also got the assist for winning the penalty. So regardless of his overall performance, he’s still the most influential player we have on the pitch. 

 

Probs shouldn’t have taken the penalty as LG is a specialist in that area.  But ultimately that’s not his decision, that’s a management decision as to who takes set pieces.

 

 

 

 

[morganowl]

4 minutes ago, FlyingOwl said:

Don’t get people slagging him off. Reminds me of the stick Brunt used to get.

 

Even if he had a ‘poor game’ yesterday. He got an assist, would have been two assists if it wasn’t for a dodgy linesman. He also got the assist for winning the penalty. So regardless of his overall performance, he’s still the most influential player we have on the pitch. 

 

Probs shouldn’t have taken the penalty as LG is a specialist in that area.  But ultimately that’s not his decision, that’s a management decision as to who takes set pieces.

 

 

 

 

your almost certainly right regards darren moore will have made the decision for bannan to take pens , this is extremely worrying as ive seen gregory take buckets full of pens for millwall . bannan scores 1 goal a season ,before kick off we see how bad he is at shooting practise regularly . he missed his last pen ,bannan is the last player in the team id want taking pens . 

[basegreenowl]

1 minute ago, morganowl said:

your almost certainly right regards darren moore will have made the decision for bannan to take pens , this is extremely worrying as ive seen gregory take buckets full of pens for millwall . bannan scores 1 goal a season ,before kick off we see how bad he is at shooting practise regularly . he missed his last pen ,bannan is the last player in the team id want taking pens . 

I'd always have a striker on penalties. No way should a player who doesn't find the net often get the responsibility. DM needs to look at set-piece situation, and getting players with intent further forward. 

[Westfield Owl]

Bannan isn’t to blame for yesterday’s result.

 

I’ve no idea why he’s taking penalties when we had experienced goal-scorers like Gregory and Berahinio available to take it instead.

[Lawrie Madden]

19 hours ago, Sefton owl said:

I’m his biggest fan, and can cut open defences like he did when we got the penalty. 
 

knew straight away it wasn’t going in, and was similar to one he tool against Bristol city at home that somehow snuck in. 
 

Penalty aside though, he had a very off day today. Someone sat near us on the Kop said moore will never sub him off and he’s right, but how much harm will it if we actually tried to play without him for a few games? Just something different. 

I agree he had an off day but even on his off day he provided the ball for the goal, played an exquisite defence splitting pass for the disallowed goal put at least 2 great balls that Gregory squandered, oh and provided one of the worst penalty misses in years .

We had enough absolute clear cut chances yesterday to be out of sight BEFORE the Penalty the majority of which were provided by BBs left boot

[Lawrie Madden]

1 hour ago, FlyingOwl said:

Don’t get people slagging him off. Reminds me of the stick Brunt used to get.

 

Even if he had a ‘poor game’ yesterday. He got an assist, would have been two assists if it wasn’t for a dodgy linesman. He also got the assist for winning the penalty. So regardless of his overall performance, he’s still the most influential player we have on the pitch. 

 

Probs shouldn’t have taken the penalty as LG is a specialist in that area.  But ultimately that’s not his decision, that’s a management decision as to who takes set pieces.

 

 

 

 

I said to my mate after the penalty miss that the narrative would be that Bannan needs dropping 

 

The abuse he gets sickens me 

[Arootatat]

For those of us of a certain age its like its his ball ! No one else is allowed to take corners ,free kicks or penalties or he's going home . It makes us so one dimensional.  Let someone else join in please and mix it up

[@owlstalk]

2 minutes ago, Arootatat said:

 No one else is allowed to take corners ,free kicks or penalties or he's going home . 

Is that Barry Bannan insisting on that (as his haters would have us believe) or is it the managers decision?

[Lawrie Madden]

2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Is that Barry Bannan insisting on that (as his haters would have us believe) or is it the managers decision?

Don't be silly now 

[Arootatat]

Haven't got a clue but he seemed very keen to tell Berahino he was having the penalty when he asked to take it

[BIG D]

20 minutes ago, Arootatat said:

Haven't got a clue but he seemed very keen to tell Berahino he was having the penalty when he asked to take it

 

Good, if he was the nominated penalty taker. 

[S36 OWL]

19 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Is that Barry Bannan insisting on that (as his haters would have us believe) or is it the managers decision?

 

It's not about hating him, it's the fact we have to play a three in midfield to accommodate Barry Guardiola, and that means we have no destroyer in the middle of the park. Regardless of whether Hutch or Dennis plays in the midfield three, they are played as wide midfielders, so no use nor ornament. 

 

This has been our problem for years. Soft as shiete in the centre of midfield. 

 

You need some muscle in the central midfield area, and Bannan is the only one in there, and let's be honest , as good as he is, he ain't going to win any battles in there. 

[Emerson Thome]

3 hours ago, davetherivelinowl said:

I haven't read all of this so apologies if it's been said....

 

Who put the corner onto Berahino's head - Bannan

 

Who slipped the ball through for Shodipo to get in behind and win a penalty - Bannan

 

Who slipped in Shodipo for a goal that should have stood - Bannan

 

Ok he did a few frustrating things again but really you can't expect more from a midfield player than to create the three best moments in a match - which should have been enough to give us the 3 points we want from our games.

 

And people are calling for him to be dropped. Really??

 

This sums it up perfectly.

 

Every good bit of play we produced was from Bannan. It is like some bizarre obsession that the best player we have at any time has to become the one who's fault it is. Bannan's just picked up the baton from Sheridan, Di Canio, Sibon, Brunt and Antonio.

 

Bannan set up 4 chances yesterday. The rest of our team put together = 3.

 

He touched the ball 85 times, the rest of the team = 636. He's blamed for hogging the ball, when Palmer, Hutchinson and Hunt all had more touches.

 

He's blamed for taking corners when no-one else on the team can take a decent corner. All the goals we scored from corners last season were from Bannan's corners. We had around 70 corners last season not taken by Bannan, goals scored = 0.

 

I would prefer to see Gregory on the penalties, but it isn't a clear cut decision. Bannan up until yesterday had taken 8 senior penalties and scored 6 of them. Berahino has missed his last 5 penalties. Gregory has taken 31 and missed 7. I'd go with the guy with the most experience, in Gregory. But he will miss them occasionally too.

[Avon barksdale]

Certainly not a bannan hater and he’s clearly our best player but does that mean we’re just to accept bad results and turgid performances at home . Why not try something else for a change . Why not give wing the chance to become our best player , shodipo ? Aderinan or someone else . Do we simply just have to accept Bannans is our best player whilst going further and further down the leagues . The minute I saw hutch and bannan in the middle I didn’t think we’d win , I don’t know why ,it was just the feeling I got . I’d like to see Byers wing and Dennis together see what they’ve got . If it doesn’t work we can always go back to Bannan. 

[davetherivelinowl]

2 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

This sums it up perfectly.

 

Every good bit of play we produced was from Bannan. It is like some bizarre obsession that the best player we have at any time has to become the one who's fault it is. Bannan's just picked up the baton from Sheridan, Di Canio, Sibon, Brunt and Antonio.

 

Bannan set up 4 chances yesterday. The rest of our team put together = 3.

 

He touched the ball 85 times, the rest of the team = 636. He's blamed for hogging the ball, when Palmer, Hutchinson and Hunt all had more touches.

 

He's blamed for taking corners when no-one else on the team can take a decent corner. All the goals we scored from corners last season were from Bannan's corners. We had around 70 corners last season not taken by Bannan, goals scored = 0.

 

I would prefer to see Gregory on the penalties, but it isn't a clear cut decision. Bannan up until yesterday had taken 8 senior penalties and scored 6 of them. Berahino has missed his last 5 penalties. Gregory has taken 31 and missed 7. I'd go with the guy with the most experience, in Gregory. But he will miss them occasionally too.

Thanks for the stats. I know I've read of several penalty misses by Berahino but hadn't realised his record was so bad. That's one in the eye for those saying 'why didn't he let Berahino take it'. Looks like Gregory does have the best penalty stats (77% success - v Bannan 67%). I expect Gregory will get the next one.