Mick70 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Oh to go back 30 yrs not only for the team we’d got then but for just how football was before sky? Most teams that got promoted to league one( now prem) kept most their players and could compete? In the space of 10 yrs all became more or less closed shop between the so called big clubs.Wonder how many clubs now looking over their shoulder ? Sad sad times 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, kirksandallowl said: an article from December last year, it seems even the so called big 6 have relegation clauses. Arsenal's players will be forced to take a reported 25 per cent pay cut if they make an unexpected drop into the Championship. The Gunners are just four points off the relegation zone after a dismal start to the season in which they've won just four of their 14 matches. While few would foresee them losing their top-flight status, Arsenal chiefs have still safeguarded the club's best interest by inserting clauses into each player's contract in the event of relegation. It is normal for such clauses to be in place among clubs battling the drop, though Arsenal were deemed top four hopefuls rather than potential candidates to go down when the campaign began. And should the unthinkable occur, their current squad would stand to lose out on a combined total of £37.5million in wages, according to The Mail 25% from £60k is still £45k. How many clubs could cover 45k without these payments. Without this net, it would have to be 50-75% or a release clause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyCraig Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 What I find hardest to swallow is the EFL gave us the same deduction, 12 points, for the late filing of the stadium sale, as a club that has gone into administration and won't be paying its staff or businesses it owes money to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, TommyCraig said: What I find hardest to swallow is the EFL gave us the same deduction, 12 points, for the late filing of the stadium sale, as a club that has gone into administration and won't be paying its staff or businesses it owes money to. The EFL did not give Wednesday anything… the decision and penalty were decided upon by independent tribunal members of a high court judge, a QC and an accountant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyCraig Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, kobayashi said: The EFL did not give Wednesday anything… the decision and penalty were decided upon by independent tribunal members of a high court judge, a QC and an accountant. Yeah you're right. Left to EFL it would have been 21 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raminpeace Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ANDY said: The daft bugger doesn’t know when to give up. Edited September 22, 2021 by Raminpeace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel. Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 If a couple more get deductions then it might help one of them escape. The deduction crew vs Hull and Peterborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel. Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Imagine if ours had been delayed. Three of us on minus points trying to catch 4th bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, ANDY said: You see, this really winds me up. I’m not condoning what we or Derby did but what the hell has it got to do with Boro?!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 It’s creating a closed shop.. I’m sick of watching Norwich, Fulham and West Brom win promotion every season in the Championship and then not add anything at all to the Premier League. Nothing clubs clogging up the system. The PL would never accept getting rid of parachute payments as they are needed to keep the quality of their product high.. the games are competitive even if the big teams usually win.. they wouldn’t be if the bottom 8 clubs couldn’t sign anyone any good through fear of being unable to pay on relegation. I’d reduce parachute payments a bit and use the money to increase the solidarity payments so the gap isn’t quite as wide. FFP is ruining the championship. Owners need to be able to spend what they want to keep it competitive and interesting. The solution is very simple.. every club submit revenue projections to the EFL, and if you want to spend in surplus of this the owner puts the money in to escrow up front to cover all wages and transfer fees. That way, we break the monopoly on promotion of a few yo-yo clubs and no clubs go under because they’re fully funded and don’t run up debts. So obviously the solution I’m surprised they can’t see it. Would also mean we wouldn’t have been relegated as our 21st place finish deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeadonowl Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, ANDY said: What an odious t00spot Gibson is 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, ANDY said: I can't wait for Middlesbrough to feel the financial pressure, see what the holier than thou little ******** Gibson does then. Karma is a *****, can't wait for their turn and let's not forget they've already been through the administration process themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, shandypants said: You see, this really winds me up. I’m not condoning what we or Derby did but what the hell has it got to do with Boro?!! Derby nicked there playoff spot. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 hours ago, striker said: I can't wait for Middlesbrough to feel the financial pressure, see what the holier than thou little ******** Gibson does then. Karma is a *****, can't wait for their turn and let's not forget they've already been through the administration process themselves. I think is what makes Gibson such a fool. A hypocritical fool too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSN SYSOP Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Plonk said: I think is what makes Gibson such a fool. A hypocritical fool too Payback for Middlesbrough is coming don't worry about that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raminpeace Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 hours ago, pazowl55 said: Derby nicked there playoff spot. Apparently. Maybe if they hadn’t lost six games in a row in March/April of that season they might not have finished one point behind us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 14 hours ago, Tewkesbury said: 25% from £60k is still £45k. How many clubs could cover 45k without these payments. Without this net, it would have to be 50-75% or a release clause. And.....? I see no reason for parachute payments, other than to exist as a ringfenced fund, managed by a regulated body to protect non playing staff, similar to the furlough scheme, if you will. EPL clubs have astronomical revenue, clubs like Arsenal have had literally billions in revenue over recent years alone. Relegated clubs in EFL do not have parachute money, they have leeway with FFP, but no funding. Relegation needs to have a consequence, the minute a club drops into the EFL they should exist like every other club, without enormous financial advantage. Lets also not forget that most EPL clubs have billionaire owners, just like other owners in the EFL, they would need to fund the club out of their own pocket, or sell players on stupid contracts, just like other EFL clubs do. Zero sympathy for relegated EPL clubs, they are given unique privilege and massively unfair competitive sporting advantage by WFL. Those in power who thought the European Super League was unfair, should take a look at parachute payments, but they won't as all hypocrites who only serve to pander to public opinion and do not see beyond the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, striker said: And.....? I see no reason for parachute payments, other than to exist as a ringfenced fund, managed by a regulated body to protect non playing staff, similar to the furlough scheme, if you will. EPL clubs have astronomical revenue, clubs like Arsenal have had literally billions in revenue over recent years alone. Relegated clubs in EFL do not have parachute money, they have leeway with FFP, but no funding. Relegation needs to have a consequence, the minute a club drops into the EFL they should exist like every other club, without enormous financial advantage. Lets also not forget that most EPL clubs have billionaire owners, just like other owners in the EFL, they would need to fund the club out of their own pocket, or sell players on stupid contracts, just like other EFL clubs do. Zero sympathy for relegated EPL clubs, they are given unique privilege and massively unfair competitive sporting advantage by WFL. Those in power who thought the European Super League was unfair, should take a look at parachute payments, but they won't as all hypocrites who only serve to pander to public opinion and do not see beyond the EPL. The money comes from TV deals, sponsorships etc. The EPL gets a magnitude more than any other league in income because it's marketed as a competitive league with stars on every team, unlike the Italian and Spanish leagues where it's concentrated on a few at the top with the rest being filler. People (in England and abroad) will pay to watch mid table EPL teams, the games are better because any team in the EPL has the players to win a game on their day, even against the best. This is not the case in La Liga for example. There has to be a divide between the rich and poor teams. The EPL moved the divide to the top few teams in the Championship to protect their product. In Spain, Italy, France the money is with a few clubs at the top of the main league, and revenues are falling because there's no competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 15 hours ago, Tewkesbury said: 25% from £60k is still £45k. How many clubs could cover 45k without these payments. Without this net, it would have to be 50-75% or a release clause. I give you Hornsby mark whatever reincarnation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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