Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Exactly this Unfortunate situation is, we're not great at it - as per your post. Maybe they are still learning? You see it countless times with the top teams away from home in hostile grounds. They get hounded, the crowd are hyped and vocal, but 3 passes later they are out of the press and on the half way line with a third of the opponent's team long gone. I doubt we'll ever get to that period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, SiJ said: Think you've also got to recognise when it's not quite working. If teams are pressing you and you're getting caught, then perhaps you need to go a bit more direct to try and beat the press. Likewise, if a team drops deep, you've got to be able to up the tempo, keep moving the ball and try to move them out of position. Man City often do this brilliantly. They get hounded and Ederson plays a 70 yard 'pass' that's a through ball to a certain goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Owls2k said: Man City often do this brilliantly. They get hounded and Ederson plays a 70 yard 'pass' that's a through ball to a certain goal. Yep. Liverpool did it brilliantly under Klopp too. You've that pace up top, so why not ping it long and let Salah run onto it. Get it out wide and have those fullbacks hitting in cross after cross. It's when you see teams try the same thing again and again when it is clearly not working. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Well if it’s working for Man City there’s no way on earth we shouldn’t be successful with it in League One against Shrewsbury Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, SiJ said: Yep. Liverpool did it brilliantly under Klopp too. You've that pace up top, so why not ping it long and let Salah run onto it. Get it out wide and have those fullbacks hitting in cross after cross. It's when you see teams try the same thing again and again when it is clearly not working. The thing is surprise too, that's what you get with the very best coaches. With the likes of Klopp, Pep, and to a lesser extent (or, maybe in defensive scenarios Jose) you get a continuous development of tactical ideas. The best coaches are incredible strategists and problem solvers. Not people who just got taught how to play through their training and have just carried it on. If you do your coaching badge and so did you mate, you both did the same badge. So how you gonna beat him?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, torryowl said: i like to think i have some knowledge of football but i'm struggling to understand any of that .......whats angles of support mean ? It’s all about where you receive the ball in relation to the press. Therefore you try to be “between the opposites defensive lines”. Also at an angle of 45 degrees or so from the ball player and side on to the ball player you are in a position to receive the ball and immediately attack the next line, disrupting the defensive organisation and creating an overload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Playing out from the back, just needs to be done with some common sense Some managers though, are riddled with philosophy and insist on playing Chuckle Brothers, 100% of the time 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, Owls2k said: The thing is surprise too, that's what you get with the very best coaches. With the likes of Klopp, Pep, and to a lesser extent (or, maybe in defensive scenarios Jose) you get a continuous development of tactical ideas. The best coaches are incredible strategists and problem solvers. Not people who just got taught how to play through their training and have just carried it on. If you do your coaching badge and so did you mate, you both did the same badge. So how you gonna beat him?! Definitely a challenge. All I can say is, everyone knows how Klopp teams play, and Pep. Everyone knew how Wilko’s teams played but knowing and stopping them is a different matter if they execute well and keep believing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Definitely a challenge. All I can say is, everyone knows how Klopp teams play, and Pep. Everyone knew how Wilko’s teams played but knowing and stopping them is a different matter if they execute well and keep believing. Spot on Shall we get married, I think I love you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, camffiti said: Playing out from the back, just needs to be done with some common sense Some managers though, are riddled with philosophy and insist on playing Chuckle Brothers, 100% of the time Jos was like that, I'm hoping Moore isn't 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shez owl Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 hour ago, SiJ said: Same. Bizarre really. Two weeks off to work on things and we've got worse lol. That’s what I thought at half time…. Two weeks of hard work and bonding Moore said and that was the result…embarrassing 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Well if it’s working for Man City there’s no way on earth we shouldn’t be successful with it in League One against Shrewsbury You wouldn't cut it running a Man City forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, Owls2k said: Spot on Shall we get married, I think I love you. I’m free 3rd Saturday in October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: I’m free 3rd Saturday in October Heads up I 'play out from the back' If you get my drift 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds U from sheff Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 When bielsa arrived, Leeds had what we all considered mid table championship players. From match day 1 he had the players who previously usually booted the ball up the pitch... Playing this mad confident out from the back swagger... Even with 4 or more pressing them in our own box. It's about making the players confident in havingthe ball imo. Key to it also is piling players forward to capitalise when you do break through the high press. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Owls2k said: Heads up I 'play out from the back' If you get my drift 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Just now, Leeds U from sheff said: When bielsa arrived, Leeds had what we all considered mid table championship players. From match day 1 he had the players who previously usually booted the ball up the pitch... Playing this mad confident out from the back swagger... Even with 4 or more pressing them in our own box. It's about making the players confident in havingthe ball imo. Key to it also is piling players forward to capitalise when you do break through the high press. This. It’s all relative to the level you’re at. Clear strategy, clearly communicated. Show resilience. Turn learned behaviour into habit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Leeds U from sheff said: When bielsa arrived, Leeds had what we all considered mid table championship players. From match day 1 he had the players who previously usually booted the ball up the pitch... Playing this mad confident out from the back swagger... Even with 4 or more pressing them in our own box. It's about making the players confident in havingthe ball imo. Key to it also is piling players forward to capitalise when you do break through the high press. Leeds is a good point. Their fans are probably more hostile than ours. But the thing there is they believed in their manager, they worshipped him even when he failed. They 'bought in' to his style. Despite that he still got loads of jibes and still does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Henderson Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 I don't think there is a right or wrong way, you can play out from the back or you can hoof up long balls, they can both work, in the right situation, but work best mixed up to stop the opposition second guessing. The trick is to know when to do what, and that's down to instinct, intelligence or training induced muscle memory. We have the skills, it's more about application I think. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 I don't like this system personally, much prefer a long punt upfield then push to win the first or second ball and build from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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