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The Matrix part 4


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2 hours ago, sheffield_dave said:

Trailer didn't do much for me and I'm not sure why. Thought the aesthetic looked weird? Then again I don't envy trying to fit something so aggressively 2000's looking to modern standards. Would be like trying to remake Swordfish. 

 

 

 

It looked like some of it was completely ripped from the original. Are they trying to show some kind of time loop or alternate universe Matrix? Agree it had an overall very strange look.

 

I'll watch it, cant be as bad as the third one.

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1 hour ago, Adem Poric said:

 

It looked like some of it was completely ripped from the original. Are they trying to show some kind of time loop or alternate universe Matrix? Agree it had an overall very strange look.

 

I'll watch it, cant be as bad as the third one.

I thought that.  all the scenes you know from past Matrix's checked off the list in the trailer.

Its that long since ive been to a cinema ill prob go out of desperation

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6 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

It's weird, as the original was my favourite film when I was 15-16, but I have absolutely no interest in this whatsoever.

 

The trailer just confirms what I felt while watching the sequels: they should have stopped after the first one.

 

I was so hyped for the sequels originally. In hindsight they should have just left it without trying to explain what happened after. The third film was so bad it tarnished the first film.

 

 

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Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.

 

The original is one of the great action films.

 

The sequels kinda suck, but they complete the trilogy and had enough redeemable qualities about them.

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The matrix was the best film made in that era for me. Sums up the 'franchise' now that I don't know much about this film and have little interest in re watching the original. 

 

The terminators 1 and 2 especially I could still watch everyday for a year and not get bored of 

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Getting absolutely critically panned.

 

This 'raking through the bones of whatever old IP you can get your hands on for the sake of pointless nostalgia' trend has to end soon, surely?

 

I would happily give up the few actually enjoyable ones like Spider-man to make it stop...

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2 hours ago, owlinexile said:

 

 

I would happily give up the few actually enjoyable ones like Spider-man to make it stop...

I know what you mean.

 

At least with the Marvel stuff, they are films which are progressing the story within that universe, rather than just a rehash of an old IP again and again. 

 

There was just no need to bring back the Matrix though. It was what it was, both good and bad, and let us leave at that.

 

It's not just the fact they rehash these films, it's the fact they diminish the good films in the same franchise.

 

Think Mark Kermode said it about the last Alien film:

 

You're getting close enough now to the original film that you're starting to really upset me.

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There are five different Star Trek shows currently on or in development.

 

FIVE.

 

That's the same amount of Star Trek shows that existed between 1966 and 2001.  And that's only if you count the weird animated series that no one watched.

 

It's just a case of 'get control of an existing IP that people have nostalgia for, and shovel out as much quantity as possible to see what sticks'.

 

Both Hollywood and Television is obsessed picking over the carcass of pop culture past.  And you are right.  Sometimes it DOES make the original retrospectively less by existing, somehow.

 

Continuing the sci-fi theme, look at Star Wars.  The original trilogy was a genuine, once in a generation pop culture phenomenon.  Lightning in a bottle.  Somehow far more than the sum of its actually quite simple parts.

 

I was a teenager when the Lucas prequels came out - and it was still a real 'event'.  Massive anticipation for every one.  Even after the first couple weren't great.

 

Now they are just another film franchise amongst many.  Not even Disney's 'main' one, despite how much they spent for the rights.  They even had to rein in making them because people were getting bored of the succession of mediocre, formulaic poo they were churning out.

 

Bored - for a new Star Wars movie!  How the fizz did that happen?

 

I dare say soon we will be seeing the sixth (seventh?  I lose track) failed attempt at making a decent Terminator movie, or more Aliens overexplaining that continues the transformation of an incredibly iconic, disturbing movie monster into an overgrown space insect bred by a robot with daddy issues.

 

Can't ******** wait.

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Yeah, there is certainly an obsession with taking existing IPs and expanding the universe or telling new stories based off the original premise.

 

Guess with stuff like Star Wars, you had for years all the books, comics, video games etc., based off the original films and now we are getting wave after wave of tv shows.

 

Suppose spin offs have long been a thing, but there does seem to be a never ending conveyor belt of them at present.

 

Law of diminishing returns springs to mind.

 

Funnily enough, I think the biggest positive from the recent Spidey flick was it somewhat separated him from the MCU, which is not something I thought I'd be saying a few years back.

 

 

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