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Derby are appealing to the English Football League to relax its rules to allow the Championship side to register new players for the 2021-22 season.

They are under an EFL transfer embargo for financial reasons, which include defaulting on payments to HMRC.

Manager Wayne Rooney had only nine registered senior players for Sunday's pre-season match with Manchester United, two of whom were goalkeepers.

Rooney used five non-contract players in Sunday's game at Pride Park.

Former England defender Phil Jagielka and ex-Manchester United midfielder Ravel Morrison both played.

But Rooney is presently unable to take advantage of an EFL rule to sign them.

Clubs are allowed to 'staff up' by offering players a 12-month contract or a six-month loan if they do not have 23 players of 'professional standing'.

However, the definition of professional standing is a single first-team appearance in a competitive game outside the EFL Trophy.

Derby meet that threshold due to their FA Cup third round tie at Chorley last season, when they played a team of youngsters after a coronavirus outbreak ruled out Rooney's entire first-team squad and many under-23 players as well.

As Derby were asked to play the game by the Football Association, they argue the unique circumstances around the fixture mean that the players involved should not be classed as being of professional standing.

BBC Sport understands that there is some sympathy within the Championship for Derby's position, although that does not necessarily mean the Rams will be successful in altering the EFL's stance.

Rooney has said if the position does not change he will not have a central defender for his side's opening EFL game against Huddersfield Town on 7 August.

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29 minutes ago, Bloxwich Owl said:

Derby are appealing to the English Football League to relax its rules to allow the Championship side to register new players for the 2021-22 season.

They are under an EFL transfer embargo for financial reasons, which include defaulting on payments to HMRC.

Manager Wayne Rooney had only nine registered senior players for Sunday's pre-season match with Manchester United, two of whom were goalkeepers.

Rooney used five non-contract players in Sunday's game at Pride Park.

Former England defender Phil Jagielka and ex-Manchester United midfielder Ravel Morrison both played.

But Rooney is presently unable to take advantage of an EFL rule to sign them.

Clubs are allowed to 'staff up' by offering players a 12-month contract or a six-month loan if they do not have 23 players of 'professional standing'.

However, the definition of professional standing is a single first-team appearance in a competitive game outside the EFL Trophy.

Derby meet that threshold due to their FA Cup third round tie at Chorley last season, when they played a team of youngsters after a coronavirus outbreak ruled out Rooney's entire first-team squad and many under-23 players as well.

As Derby were asked to play the game by the Football Association, they argue the unique circumstances around the fixture mean that the players involved should not be classed as being of professional standing.

BBC Sport understands that there is some sympathy within the Championship for Derby's position, although that does not necessarily mean the Rams will be successful in altering the EFL's stance.

Rooney has said if the position does not change he will not have a central defender for his side's opening EFL game against Huddersfield Town on 7 August.


Simple this really, if they’re on professional terms, they’re professional, regardless who which team they generally represent.

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They have kinda done this to themselves. So I don't see the issue. They have broken the rules (like we did) and should be punished the same way.

 

What did they expect?

 

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2 hours ago, Bloxwich Owl said:

Derby are appealing to the English Football League to relax its rules to allow the Championship side to register new players for the 2021-22 season.

They are under an EFL transfer embargo for financial reasons, which include defaulting on payments to HMRC.

Manager Wayne Rooney had only nine registered senior players for Sunday's pre-season match with Manchester United, two of whom were goalkeepers.

Rooney used five non-contract players in Sunday's game at Pride Park.

Former England defender Phil Jagielka and ex-Manchester United midfielder Ravel Morrison both played.

But Rooney is presently unable to take advantage of an EFL rule to sign them.

Clubs are allowed to 'staff up' by offering players a 12-month contract or a six-month loan if they do not have 23 players of 'professional standing'.

However, the definition of professional standing is a single first-team appearance in a competitive game outside the EFL Trophy.

Derby meet that threshold due to their FA Cup third round tie at Chorley last season, when they played a team of youngsters after a coronavirus outbreak ruled out Rooney's entire first-team squad and many under-23 players as well.

As Derby were asked to play the game by the Football Association, they argue the unique circumstances around the fixture mean that the players involved should not be classed as being of professional standing.

BBC Sport understands that there is some sympathy within the Championship for Derby's position, although that does not necessarily mean the Rams will be successful in altering the EFL's stance.

Rooney has said if the position does not change he will not have a central defender for his side's opening EFL game against Huddersfield Town on 7 August.

 

F*** em.

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Unfortunately, it is tough sh*t. 

 

They benefited from our punishment last season, though it appears that it was very much a stay of execution. 

 

Says something when we are in a better position than them. 

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We were deducted points which directly relegated us. They may also be deducted points that will relegate them, but just in case they don't it seems the punishments they're already receiving will lead to them going down anyway. 

 

A few seasons ago didn't Bolton have trouble fielding a side? They put kids out for a few games, lost em and said they couldn't carry on cos it was destroying their futures etc as they weren't up to it. There was also an age thing where they couldn't play and train for so many hours or summat I think. Eventually they got a team of professionals together. Was a right mess and can see Derby being in the same boat. And us. 

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13 hours ago, Bloxwich Owl said:

Derby are appealing to the English Football League to relax its rules to allow the Championship side to register new players for the 2021-22 season.

They are under an EFL transfer embargo for financial reasons, which include defaulting on payments to HMRC.

Manager Wayne Rooney had only nine registered senior players for Sunday's pre-season match with Manchester United, two of whom were goalkeepers.

Rooney used five non-contract players in Sunday's game at Pride Park.

Former England defender Phil Jagielka and ex-Manchester United midfielder Ravel Morrison both played.

But Rooney is presently unable to take advantage of an EFL rule to sign them.

Clubs are allowed to 'staff up' by offering players a 12-month contract or a six-month loan if they do not have 23 players of 'professional standing'.

However, the definition of professional standing is a single first-team appearance in a competitive game outside the EFL Trophy.

Derby meet that threshold due to their FA Cup third round tie at Chorley last season, when they played a team of youngsters after a coronavirus outbreak ruled out Rooney's entire first-team squad and many under-23 players as well.

As Derby were asked to play the game by the Football Association, they argue the unique circumstances around the fixture mean that the players involved should not be classed as being of professional standing.

BBC Sport understands that there is some sympathy within the Championship for Derby's position, although that does not necessarily mean the Rams will be successful in altering the EFL's stance.

Rooney has said if the position does not change he will not have a central defender for his side's opening EFL game against Huddersfield Town on 7 August.

Posted this before in another thread. Simon Jordan was talking about Derby on talk sport about a month ago, before they were handed the suspended points verdict. He predicted them getting a big points deduction and said that they are in a lot of trouble financially. He was wrong about the points but seems he could be right about the finances. IIRC he talked about them being over £60 million in debt.

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3 hours ago, latemodelchild said:

We were deducted points which directly relegated us. They may also be deducted points that will relegate them, but just in case they don't it seems the punishments they're already receiving will lead to them going down anyway. 

 

A few seasons ago didn't Bolton have trouble fielding a side? They put kids out for a few games, lost em and said they couldn't carry on cos it was destroying their futures etc as they weren't up to it. There was also an age thing where they couldn't play and train for so many hours or summat I think. Eventually they got a team of professionals together. Was a right mess and can see Derby being in the same boat. And us. 

They should be playing the young uns like it looks like were going to be doing. Looks like, unless we make some signings the average age of our first 11 is going to be in the low 20s

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I think we will see a lot of teams crashing into league 2 due to financial reasons,  before staging a slow climb back.

 

Bolton are on that journey now, they have turned the corner and their fans - who have seen them in the Premier League with Campo, Djorkaeff etc in recent-ish times, can look forward to better seasons ahead.

 

Rooney might like to get himself fit and register as a player . There's a lot older than him playing a that level. 

 

Can't say I have much sympathy to be fair, and it's just not the end of the world.  

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The game is rotten. Clubs like us and Derby will be rightly punished for trying to circumvent rules or through "creatively" trying to stand our ground, but it's all a symptom of bigger problems.

 

On a more direct level though, couldn't give a throw about Derby. I know there's a Derby fan posting on here who seems a nice lad but f*ck me, they've been the bain of my life of supporting Wednesday. They've had a substantial role in 2 of our relegations, I've not seen us win there and our record against them is absolutely rancid. Think they've also been very fortunate to be one of the former "big" Premier League clubs from the 90's who haven't tasted League One yet, so it feels like they're due. Won't be shedding any tears if they finish rock bottom. 

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Rooney must be rubbing his hands together as it's win/win for him. He isn't manager material and only got the job based on his reputation as a player. He keeps them up and he's a legend and if they go down it'll be the Derby owner/board held responsible

 

I hope they do go down as they only survived at our expense because of our own wrongdoing

 

 

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This is nothing to do with circumventing rules.

It is simply that we were made to field a very junior third team v Chorley in the cup - due to coronavirus - with 14 debuts.

why we were made to play instead of postponing the game I have no idea. 

But as a result 14 juniors were re-classified as senior players.

4 were subsequently released 

 

we have 16 genuine senior pros (with room for more for 7 potential signings on frees).

but because of being made to field this team of sprogs, we are deemed to have of 26 seniors.

 

Why get stroppy with us?

it’s just more nonsense 

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4 minutes ago, Raminpeace said:

This is nothing to do with circumventing rules.

It is simply that we were made to field a very junior third team v Chorley in the cup - due to coronavirus - with 14 debuts.

why we were made to play instead of postponing the game I have no idea. 

But as a result 14 juniors were re-classified as senior players.

4 were subsequently released 

 

we have 16 genuine senior pros (with room for more for 7 potential signings on frees).

but because of being made to field this team of sprogs, we are deemed to have of 26 seniors.

 

Why get stroppy with us?

it’s just more nonsense 

Always the same story mate, it's the fans that suffer.

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@Raminpeace

 

I see your appeal has been successful in that the kids that played at Chorley are not deemed to be senior pros.

 

So now you can now sign players but as I understand it they have to be free agents, on max 1 year contracts and subject to wage limits.

 

Bit of a mess.

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1 hour ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

@Raminpeace

 

I see your appeal has been successful in that the kids that played at Chorley are not deemed to be senior pros.

 

So now you can now sign players but as I understand it they have to be free agents, on max 1 year contracts and subject to wage limits.

 

Bit of a mess.


It might look like crisis management, but it’s all part of Uncle Mel’s ambitious plan.

 

Us mere mortals can’t be expected to understand it.

 

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