Make verified ID a requirement for opening a social media account.

[owlinexile]

17 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Nope

But thanks for posting

 

Ok.

 

Do some performative bullshit that literally only inconveniences law abiding people, I guess.

 

That's always the go-to these days, isn't it?

[TheSlicer]

26 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

 

My view is nothing to do with racism or anything else that happens on social media. Everyone who has an online account is already traceable through the email addresd used to open the account. 

Anyone can set an email address up without verification it’s easy to get round. I’m not forcing this on anybody I just think it’s a small way of helping. 

14 minutes ago, FlyingOwl said:

I understand and respect the premise behind it. Obviously I want there to be a way where people can be held more accountable online.

 

But there’s so many holes in this idea of ID verification. Not everyone has a photo ID. There’s people who hold anonymous accounts not as a means to abuse people, but as a form of escape from their lives & protection of their identities (think people hiding their sexuality from their families, domestic abuse victims etc).

 

Thags before we get to all the security concerns.

 

Furthermore. It doesn’t solve the problem that social media companies and law enforcement are too stretched to deal with the problem properly. 

As I’ve said previously. The accounts would still be anonymous I believe. You can have your name as whatever you want and your profile picture as whatever you want, but the details are there in the background if needed. Majority of people won’t need them but some people will (the idiots) 

[CircleSeven]

I’ve signed it. I’m a big believer in free speech and am not 100% sure that verified ID is the way to go, but on balance I think we are the point where and think that social media can’t carry in as it is without some reform. 
As a minimum a petition like this will force social media companies to try  to better police their platforms because a move like verified ID requirements will massively hurt their business. 
 

My personal view is that the best way to get social media companies to act with responsibility is to hit them in their pockets. Advertising bans for companies that fail to manage abuse would probably be a good start. 

[HighworthOwl]

I thought this already happened. I wanted to delete my Facebook account as I haven’t used it in years and they asked for a copy of my drivers license / passport to cancel it. 
 

I assumed that was a new thing that had to be done to open one. 

[S36 OWL]

21 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

That's shocking!!

For instance - I only have one account on here

 

[billyblack]

1 hour ago, TheSlicer said:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/575833

 

Make it a legal requirement when opening a new social media account, to provide a verified form of ID. Where the account belongs to a person under the age of 18 verify the account with the ID of a parent/guardian, to prevent anonymised harmful activity, providing traceability if an offence occurs.

 

@@owlstalk I would appreciate if this thread could be kept in the match day section as it gets more traffic than the others and I feel this is extremely important after the disgusting abuse we have seen online recently. Also, it has the potential to effect our players, staff, and supporters. 
 

This is a petition for people to have to verify themselves when getting a social media account. As people can currently make one anonymously and cowardly abuse people. 
 

Over 500k signatures is very good, but it’s a drop in the ocean to what it should be, especially considering the vast number of people that’s supported England the past month. I must mention this isn’t just footballers/sports professionals that get this disgusting abuse. 
 

thanks in advance. 

Couldnt agree more mate.

 

Needs doing 100%. These people need banning from all sports for life. Naming, shaminh and charging. Thats it.

 

No excuses.

[FreshOwl]

6 minutes ago, CircleSeven said:

I’ve signed it. I’m a big believer in free speech and am not 100% sure that verified ID is the way to go, but on balance I think we are the point where and think that social media can’t carry in as it is without some reform. 
As a minimum a petition like this will force social media companies to try  to better police their platforms because a move like verified ID requirements will massively hurt their business. 
 

My personal view is that the best way to get social media companies to act with responsibility is to hit them in their pockets. Advertising bans for companies that fail to manage abuse would probably be a good start. 

This isn’t free speech though this is racism. As long as you aren’t saying something despicable then you have nothing to worry about

[Rev Owl]

Signed it because something needs to be done but not 100% sure with other posters that this will work.

Think research needs to be done on whether anonymity produces more negative behaviour or not.

I agree where there's a risk of repression anonymity would help but off the top of my head I think recent social media campaigns around Black Lives Matter, MeToo and Grenfell have not been anonymous?

[billyblack]

31 minutes ago, i used to be sc_owl said:

I doubt it would stop anything.  

 

First reason is that people will just claim their account was hacked or someone else was using their phone/laptop etc.

 

Second reason is that the sort of people that post this **** are generally too stupid to realise what they are doing.  Also, some of them will enter into competition to see who can get the most media mentions which they will then wear as a ****** up badge of honour.  

 

The punishments for racist behaviour need to be much, much stronger.

Dont care of they claim it has been hacked. Prove it or be found guilty. Was the account just hacked for that 3 mins during a racist rant, dont think so.

 

Your account, you are responsible for it. End of. 

[billyblack]

32 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

They just re-register

 

Yes, but make them do it with verfified ID. No ID, no account.

[FlyingOwl]

10 minutes ago, TheSlicer said:

As I’ve said previously. The accounts would still be anonymous I believe. You can have your name as whatever you want and your profile picture as whatever you want, but the details are there in the background if needed. Majority of people won’t need them but some people will (the idiots) 

Still begs the question as to how secure these peoples identities would be. 
 

And again. Doesn’t solve the crucial issue that a lot of these social media platforms, and law enforcement, just don’t have the man power to police this & verify everything.

 

 

There is a solution that’ll be found. I’m just not sure ID’s are ‘it’.

[Blatter]

31 minutes ago, owlinexile said:

 

This is just poorly-thought through knee-jerk 'Won't Someone Please Think of the Children?!' policy on the hoof.

 

1) What counts as social media?  Is Owlstalk social media? YouTube?  PornHub? 

 

2) What happens when it inevitably gets hacked?

 

3) What happens when the Chinese government demands Twitter or whoever hand over all the names and addresses of political dissidents and thought criminals?

 

4) What happens when mental cybernats or whoever find out where you live and where your children go to school?

 

5) What happens when you get doxxed because someone takes something you said 20 years ago out of context or goes digging through everything you have ever written on the internet for signs of Ideological Impurity?

 

6) the most important point - how the thundering fizz is this going to even be enforced when none of these companies are based in the UK, will literally laugh in the face of the UK government and everyone has easy access to a VPN?

 

 

A well argued case for not signing but surely all you are doing is setting out the pro’s and cons of what would be debated in Parliament if the petition gathers enough support.. A petition in itself changes very little but can be the catalyst to have its content examined by law makers.

On balance I have decided to sign.

[billyblack]

37 minutes ago, owlinexile said:

 

This is just poorly-thought through knee-jerk 'Won't Someone Please Think of the Children?!' policy on the hoof.

 

1) What counts as social media?  Is Owlstalk social media? YouTube?  PornHub? 

 

2) What happens when it inevitably gets hacked?

 

3) What happens when the Chinese government demands Twitter or whoever hand over all the names and addresses of political dissidents and thought criminals?

 

4) What happens when mental cybernats or whoever find out where you live and where your children go to school?

 

5) What happens when you get doxxed because someone takes something you said 20 years ago out of context or goes digging through everything you have ever written on the internet for signs of Ideological Impurity?

 

6) the most important point - how the thundering fizz is this going to even be enforced when none of these companies are based in the UK, will literally laugh in the face of the UK government and everyone has easy access to a VPN?

 

 

How many get hacked, genuinely?

 

Some of these people can be traced by the authorities, not all as some arent as dumb as others, but the ones caught should have harsh punishments. Made to do community work with the so called people they apparently despise.

[CircleSeven]

Just now, FreshOwl said:

This isn’t free speech though this is racism. As long as you aren’t saying something despicable then you have nothing to worry about

I agree mate. That’s why on balance I signed the petition. The reason I am not 100% is that verified ID requirements may create a barrier for vulnerable groups to have a voice. But on balance the continued misuse of the platforms for racism and indeed all abuse, trolling etc has pushed me towards thinking that change has to happen. 

[MallorcaOwl]

26 minutes ago, 0742 said:

 

Have you ever considered moving to China, or maybe even North Korea?!

 

 

It's not the same is it really.

 

[i used to be sc_owl]

6 minutes ago, billyblack said:

Dont care of they claim it has been hacked. Prove it or be found guilty. Was the account just hacked for that 3 mins during a racist rant, dont think so.

 

Your account, you are responsible for it. End of. 

We have a system of presumed innocence though.  It's not up to a person to prove their innocence.  It's up to the courts to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.  

[FreshOwl]

2 minutes ago, CircleSeven said:

I agree mate. That’s why on balance I signed the petition. The reason I am not 100% is that verified ID requirements may create a barrier for vulnerable groups to have a voice. But on balance the continued misuse of the platforms for racism and indeed all abuse, trolling etc has pushed me towards thinking that change has to happen. 

I’m sure we’d see a huge decrease in racist comments if the perpetrators knew there was nowhere to hide. 

[Guest LondonOwl313]

People seem to have this impression that it’s people in this country doing the abuse.. the stereotype of the skinhead sat behind a keyboard.

 

Most of it is carried out by people overseas though where racism isn’t viewed as wrong. Southgate said this himself in the press conference yesterday, that most but not all originated abroad.

 

Its unenforceable.. you’d end up with U.K. ISPs being told by the government to block the likes of Twitter and Facebook 

[i used to be sc_owl]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned, but it will be hilarious if proof is needed for Owlstalk and it turns out most of the members are the same person

 

 

[Devisable]

People seem to be forgetting that there are also several pros to being able to remain moderately anonymous on the internet.

Edited July 13, 2021 by Devisable