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3 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

The police can’t fix this, they don’t have the resources. Not sure if you saw that Channel 4 documentary a few months ago called Hunting Paedophiles.. it was shocking how many were out there and they didn’t have the manpower to track them down.

 

Personally if there’s more resources for cyber policing i’d rather it went there first ahead of tracking people down who say nasty and backward things.

 

The social media companies need to do more and filter it out before it even gets seen.

I understand the police cant fix this problem, they can only enforce the punoshment. Education is the answer, whilst we wait for the next 50 or 60 years to come fruition mind, we need to do something.

 

Social media companies doing their part is one thing i agree. Dual authentication would also work. Works for banking so why not social media?  Cyber policing could be expanded.

 

The other question is, if you had been racially abused, whatever your race, there was evidence to prove it and you had reported it, what would you want done about it? Never happened to me but there are plenty it has. They cant or shouldnt wait 50 or 60 years for education to catch up.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, billyblack said:

I understand the police cant fix this problem, they can only enforce the punoshment. Education is the answer, whilst we wait for the next 50 or 60 years to come fruition mind, we need to do something.

 

Social media companies doing their part is one thing i agree. Dual authentication would also work. Works for banking so why not social media?  Cyber policing could be expanded.

 

The other question is, if you had been racially abused, whatever your race, there was evidence to prove it and you had reported it, what would you want done about it? Never happened to me but there are plenty it has. They cant or shouldnt wait 50 or 60 years for education to catch up.

 

 

Well yeah they could have Face ID or fingerprint recognition, but then some would say their device is too old to support it.

 

To me an appropriate punishment would be a sizeable fine payable to a charity of the victims choice and compulsory attendance on a racism awareness course or something. Could obviously escalate for serial offenders 

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If you're not going on social media anonymously to troll people and make offensive remarks - nothing to fear really is there

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Signed.

 

More than happy to have social media curtailed in such a way that might be ever so slightly uncomfortable for me to ensure the mental, physical and emotional health of others is protected. If I don't like it I won't join up, which is far better than people being subjected to abuse.

 

Might be a bit of a blunt instrument, but it is far better to do anything than nothing at all.

 

Lock them up, name and shame and educate.

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It needs doing, not just for the racists.

 

It needs doing to stop kids bullying each other to the point of suicide. So age verification too.

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11 minutes ago, Grandad said:

It needs doing, not just for the racists.

 

It needs doing to stop kids bullying each other to the point of suicide. So age verification too.

 

And Bots and misinformation spreading. It's the wild west with Social Media at the moment, and it has so obviously come to a head that something needs doing.

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Will I sign the petition? Simple answer is no.  

 

What I have seen these past few days, isn't about football or racism believe it or not.  

 

It will be a concerted move to curb free speech and bring in more censorship by the big tech companies.  

 

What's going on, isn't about a small minority of neanderthals who shout the loudest or post vile racism, it will be to do with putting greater controls on the masses.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:



You do realise that other people can read what you’re posting right?

I'm talking about the wider context behind it, if you had bothered to read the rest of my post.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Ronio said:

Will I sign the petition? Simple answer is no.  

 

What I have seen these past few days, isn't about football or racism believe it or not.  

 

It will be a concerted move to curb free speech and bring in more censorship by the big tech companies.  

 

What's going on, isn't about a small minority of neanderthals who shout the loudest or post vile racism, it will be to do with putting greater controls on the masses.  

 

 

 

I thought the big tech companies would less censorship.

If you need ID, photo verification then less people will use twitter so less advertising revenue.

 

ThinknI read that most of the online stuff towards the England players the other night came from abroad so not sure how you can track these people down.

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1 minute ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

I thought the big tech companies would less censorship.

If you need ID, photo verification then less people will use twitter so less advertising revenue.

 

ThinknI read that most of the online stuff towards the England players the other night came from abroad so not sure how you can track these people down.

Wonder if it actually came from abroad, or people just using VPNs?

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3 minutes ago, Ronio said:

Will I sign the petition? Simple answer is no.  

 

What I have seen these past few days, isn't about football or racism believe it or not.  

 

It will be a concerted move to curb free speech and bring in more censorship by the big tech companies.  

 

What's going on, isn't about a small minority of neanderthals who shout the loudest or post vile racism, it will be to do with putting greater controls on the masses.  

 

 

 

Speech is not 100% free. If I go and convince a group of people that they should all come to an island with me, and commit mass suicide through my words, am I in the wrong? Jim Jones did that exact thing. Was he right in saying the things he said? Should it have been allowed?

 

What about if I convince a bunch of people a race war is about to happen and they should go out and kill people because a band has told me to do it? Charles Manson.

 

More of a hypothetical argument, what if I convince somebody that somebody you love is, let's say a child abuser, and that they should go and kill them to save more children from it happening to them. Did I do anything wrong? I was just exercising my right to free speech wasn't I?

 

Speech can be dangerous, it has been proven time and time again throughout pretty much all of history. What does it take for Social Media to be curtailed? A suicide by a high profile celebrity? Because cyber bullying already causes suicide. I'm more than happy for people to be held account for their actions, rather than it be a free for all, because we are seeing what it leads to and it will only get worse.

 

Completely entitled to your opinion btw.

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25 minutes ago, Grandad said:

It needs doing, not just for the racists.

 

It needs doing to stop kids bullying each other to the point of suicide. So age verification too.

My brother runs a junior football team and he was shocked to find someone regularly posting on the junior league Facebook page was using a fake name, inviting people to trials and offering to go to people's houses to collect "junk" for fund raising. He reported it to Facebook but nothing has been done he just got a message back stating that the profile does not violate their terms.

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14 minutes ago, Ronio said:

Will I sign the petition? Simple answer is no.  

 

What I have seen these past few days, isn't about football or racism believe it or not.  

 

It will be a concerted move to curb free speech and bring in more censorship by the big tech companies.  

 

What's going on, isn't about a small minority of neanderthals who shout the loudest or post vile racism, it will be to do with putting greater controls on the masses.  

 

 

If censoring the masses (who aren’t the ones putting out vile posts on social media anyway) results in stopping this small minority of Neanderthals from circulating their bile and hatred, then I’m all for it to be honest.

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3 hours ago, Manwë said:

Won't be signing it, as it'll be pointless anyway.  Any interaction that requires a verifiable form of ID for tens of millions of people will require a staff of hundreds, verifying such IDs, and who is going to do that?  Twitter?  Facebook?   The Govt?  The police?  

 

Let's say, for instance, that the UKGov introduced such a law and France doesn't.  Then will unverified French people be able to speak/criticise/share with verified UK people?    If Yes, then the law is pointless because it's simple to create an account from any country within reason.  If no, then the UK really will be cutting itself off from the rest of the world.  

 

Secondly, I've been following social media this year quite heavily on a number of topics, mostly human rights, and the level of debate is beyond sad.  Don't agree with mass migration?  Then you're a fascist*.  Don't think that Laurel Hubbard should compete under the women's section at Tokyo?  Then you're a transphobe*.    Eat meat?  Then you take enjoyment in seeing animals suffer*.  Yes you do, stop denying it.

 

*Not really, you just have a difference of opinion, which may be right or wrong, but ultimately, your right to hold such a view is a right too.   

 

But not everyone believes you're entitled to a different opinion, and some even believe a difference of opinion is possibly a criminal offence, or should be.  And who better to determine that than the police?    So let's call the police when someone disagrees, and let them be the judge of what's right or wrong online.  No thanks.

 

Racism has no place in society, but stifling free-speech for the sake of online fire-and-forget trolls is not the way to go about it.

 

We live in a digitally connected age, and no unilateral decision by the UK will stop any digital crime, no matter how well intentioned.  The only solution, is to stop the internet.  

 

I don't disagree with what you say, however, just to confirm, it wouldn't require any staff to verify the documents (well minimal anyway) , like most things these days its done via software.

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