Guest OwlPastie Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 What's something you believe but most would disagree with in football? Personally I think in today's game Pele would be mind-bottom end Premier League standard. That's if you took him exactly as he was in his prime. He was an athlete with skill in a time where most weren't athletes. Put him up at against the likes of Van Dyke and he would struggle. You see his goals and many were hit with such power that with a modern day light ball would go into row Z. Swap it round and put JJ in that era and he'd be a superstar. You'll all probably disagree, but that's the whole point of the topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 David Seaman was a good keeper but one of the most overrated i've ever seen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor Sam Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Sheffield Wednesday = Massive. 1 Russian Warship.... Go fxxk yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 34 minutes ago, OwlPastie said: What's something you believe but most would disagree with in football? Personally I think in today's game Pele would be mind-bottom end Premier League standard. That's if you took him exactly as he was in his prime. He was an athlete with skill in a time where most weren't athletes. Put him up at against the likes of Van Dyke and he would struggle. You see his goals and many were hit with such power that with a modern day light ball would go into row Z. Swap it round and put JJ in that era and he'd be a superstar. You'll all probably disagree, but that's the whole point of the topic! He would adapt to the time surely, like he wouldn't hit those balls quite as hard seeing as they're lighter Mine is that England aren't as unsuccessful as people make out, based on population size winning a World Cup in about par, most countries that have won more have much bigger populations, like Brazil is about 5 times bigger than England and they have won 4-5 world cups. in addition football is one of a number of elite sports you can compete in here, many other countries don't have as many popular sports, such as Germany not having an equivalent of cricket, rugby (2 codes) etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 It's not just about population size is it? It's also about infrastructure and we have the most expensive in the world by a long way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF TAZ Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 i love VAR far less cheating gotten away with and i was all for it after lampardgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OwlPastie Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, scram said: David Seaman was a good keeper but one of the most overrated i've ever seen I think most England #1s are over hyped. Pickford might be the only one who's actually under rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Fair point Being as we're on controversial opinions i'd say at his peak Pressman was as good as Seaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HullOwlPhil Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 I always thought Veron was over rated even before he moved the the Premier League. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Lukaku is overrated. Shaqiri is vastly overrated. The Super League should have been allowed to go ahead and would have been better for English football if it had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, CalmJimmers said: The Super League should have been allowed to go ahead and would have been better for English football if it had. This isn't even controversial It will happen at some point however much UEFA stamp their feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Lampard was comfortably better than Gerrard 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 AFC Wimbledon fans should pipe down. They're not "the real Wimbledon", it's a new club. Yes they got s__t on but they deserted their own club to form another before it even moved, and if they'd been as bothered back then, instead of taking 25 fans to away games in the PL, they'd probably still have their club. Ground my gears when they bullied MK Dons into "renouncing their history" and demanded they hand over the trophies that Wimbledon FC won. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 8 hours ago, scram said: This isn't even controversial It will happen at some point however much UEFA stamp their feet I think it will too, but from what I've seen/heard from people is that it's really not wanted. Top level football is already a closed shop pretty much, rather have them out of the way officially so other teams can compete for something more meaningful than a midtable Premier League finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danblakemore Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Ronaldo is better than Messi 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 13 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: He would adapt to the time surely, like he wouldn't hit those balls quite as hard seeing as they're lighter Mine is that England aren't as unsuccessful as people make out, based on population size winning a World Cup in about par, most countries that have won more have much bigger populations, like Brazil is about 5 times bigger than England and they have won 4-5 world cups. in addition football is one of a number of elite sports you can compete in here, many other countries don't have as many popular sports, such as Germany not having an equivalent of cricket, rugby (2 codes) etc. Disagree about other countries not having other sports. Handball and basketball are big in Germany - at least as big as cricket and RU are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sova Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 13 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Mine is that England aren't as unsuccessful as people make out Top-4 finishes, World Cup + Euros combined: Germany 22, Italy 13, France 11, Netherlands 10, Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic 7, Portugal 7, USSR/Russia 7, Spain 6, England 5, Sweden 5. World Cup alone: Brazil 11, Argentina 5, Uruguay 5, England 3. Even if you ignore the pre-war tournaments we couldn't be bothered to enter, it doesn't look good for us. Although I do think you could argue that fortune has not exactly been on our side over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 31 minutes ago, thewookieisdown said: Disagree about other countries not having other sports. Handball and basketball are big in Germany - at least as big as cricket and RU are here. Basketball is big here the participation numbers are massive. Handball is not as big as what rugby and cricket are here, probably rugby league size? If that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: Basketball is big here the participation numbers are massive. Handball is not as big as what rugby and cricket are here, probably rugby league size? If that But basketball is way smaller at professional level here than in Spain, Germany. I know indirectly a kind who plays for Sheffield. His ambition is to get signed by a Spanish or German club. Wage levels in UK basketball have crashed these past two decades as the sporting culture has become far more dominated by football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Sova said: Top-4 finishes, World Cup + Euros combined: Germany 22, Italy 13, France 11, Netherlands 10, Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic 7, Portugal 7, USSR/Russia 7, Spain 6, England 5, Sweden 5. World Cup alone: Brazil 11, Argentina 5, Uruguay 5, England 3. Even if you ignore the pre-war tournaments we couldn't be bothered to enter, it doesn't look good for us. Although I do think you could argue that fortune has not exactly been on our side over the years. This is what I mean though World Cup Brazil 11 England 3 Brazil population 211m England 55m so 4 x bigger 4 x the success. Then how many sports we play here factored in. Some countries are clearly well above par like Holland and Czechs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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