TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Taking the current situation out of the equation in an ideal world how would you like the club to be run? By this I mean there are many ways in which a club can be run: A) dictatorship, one man making all decisions be they good or bad with a team of individuals acting upon those B) a board of directors, shareholders elect a board who make all the decisions on behalf of the shareholders. Shares can be owned by whoever and the amounts of which is not limited by any constitution of the club C) fan owned with board, similar to the above with the only difference being that the club has it written within its constitution that at least 51% of the shareholding is retained within the fan base. D) fan owned dictatorship, as A with the only difference being the dictator is a fan of the club E) president. A chairman with similar powers to A and D is elected by the fanbase for a set term of 4 years. Each and every fan is entitled to register to vote subject to having purchased a ticket within each season of the previous 4 seasons. Season ticket holders are automatically registered to vote for subject to having held a season ticket within the past 8 years. F) other, please state I would chose a model similar E and would be what I campaigned for, for the trust to advocate, if standing in the trust elections coming up. Interested to hear your thoughts... WAWAW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 dont know but having a supporters rep on the board isnt a good idea ........where do there loyalties lie ?with the fans or with the board . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Caliphate for me, every time...... 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, torryowl said: dont know but having a supporters rep on the board isnt a good idea ........where do there loyalties lie ?with the fans or with the board . Is that "other"? A supporters rep on the board should surely "rep"resent the supporters? That is their sole job? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Morepork said: Caliphate for me, every time...... Alphonso Caliphate - plays for Zamalek SC? Reckon we can tempt him on a season loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, TheGaffer said: Is that "other"? A supporters rep on the board should surely "rep"resent the supporters? That is their sole job? but where do there loyalties lie when the chairman says something thats meant to be kept in the boardroom as i'm sure some things are .....does he keep it from the people he represents or does he blab to to the supporters ......its a can of worms that cant possibly work . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basement Jack Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Leicester model is perfect Probably best run club in the country And it’s not rocket science or complicated A guy in charge with a bit of financial clout who genuinely engages with fans and the community.A guy that realizes the club belongs to the fans and who gets football people in to help him achieve success That would do for me 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, torryowl said: but where do there loyalties lie when the chairman says something thats meant to be kept in the boardroom as i'm sure some things are .....does he keep it from the people he represents or does he blab to to the supporters ......its a can of worms that cant possibly work . Their ultimate loyalty lies with themselves, however they are voted for the supporters I assume, you haven't laid out even roughly the scenario you are discussing? In which case if they would even be voted in again on the trust they have built or voted out for being seen as non representative of the fans? It's all hypothetical of course so I'd be interested in the fan representation model you are proposing. How would it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Basement Jack said: Leicester model is perfect Probably best run club in the country And it’s not rocket science or complicated A guy in charge with a bit of financial clout who genuinely engages with fans and the community.A guy that realizes the club belongs to the fans and who gets football people in to help him achieve success That would do for me For me the Barcelona is nearly perfect, combined with the German model and a little tweaking. Fan majority, fan owned, professionally run and most importantly accountable Edited June 17, 2021 by TheGaffer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheGaffer said: For me the Barcelona is nearly perfect, combined with the German model and a little tweaking. Fan majority, fan owned, professionally run and most importantly accountable For me the Barcelona model is nearly perfect, combined with the German model and a little tweaking. Fan majority, fan owned, professionally run and most importantly accountable. This is dreamworld and what we want. I hate the idea of fans having no say. Other than that the Leicester model is okay until..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, TheGaffer said:It's all hypothetical of course so I'd be interested in the fan representation model you are proposing. How would it work? i wouldnt have any board member who answers to the supporters .........and if there was one i wouldnt want to be him .jeez look at the diverse ways we all look at it on here and we are only a small minority of the supporters we have ....it would the job from hell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, torryowl said: i wouldnt have any board member who answers to the supporters .........and if there was one i wouldnt want to be him .jeez look at the diverse ways we all look at it on here and we are only a small minority of the supporters we have ....it would the job from hell Look at any politician, local or national. You stand on a platform, you're elected on that platform. You fail or succeed on that platform and anywhere in between. I wouldn't consider whether you want to have fig biscuits or ginger biscuits at meetings to be an important matter for the fans to vote on. You stand on a manifesto and that's what you adhere to as best as you can within the rules and conscience. I do realise bisbuits are a deal breaker for owlstalk! We need a shift in mentality from the fanbase in my favoured scenarios, I do agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 52 minutes ago, torryowl said: dont know but having a supporters rep on the board isnt a good idea ........where do there loyalties lie ?with the fans or with the board . It’s simple, they would be a non-executive Director with the purpose of being involved in the policy making and representing fans as stakeholders in the boardroom but not taking an active role in the day to day management. Ideally they would bring some experience or expertise to the board that benefits the business as well as representing the fans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 D. A benign dictator from Wadsley Bridge who just happens to be a trillionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Any supporter that the club would deem acceptable to sit on the Board - isn't fit to represent the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Out of those I prefer F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Grandad said: Any supporter that the club would deem acceptable to sit on the Board - isn't fit to represent the fans Is that the current board or the board in perpetuity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeadonowl Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, TheGaffer said: For me the Barcelona model is nearly perfect, combined with the German model and a little tweaking. Fan majority, fan owned, professionally run and most importantly accountable. This is dreamworld and what we want. I hate the idea of fans having no say. Other than that the Leicester model is okay until..... would the Barcelona model work if they were in the Tercera Divsion in Spain, no worldwide revenue stream and no champions league money? The German model has led to a monopoly with the only team getting near being the one who is not fan owned ideally you need a money man who then surrounds themselves with a mixture of football people, marketing specialists and lawyers. Unfortunately for us Leeds is perfect example of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, yeadonowl said: would the Barcelona model work if they were in the Tercera Divsion in Spain, no worldwide revenue stream and no champions league money? The German model has led to a monopoly with the only team getting near being the one who is not fan owned ideally you need a money man who then surrounds themselves with a mixture of football people, marketing specialists and lawyers. Unfortunately for us Leeds is perfect example of this The Barcelona model evolved out of tyranny so I would say yes it would work. Like many clubs including AFC Wimbledon, yes success on the pitch is hugely different however I do sincerely believe that each fan of both those clubs feels part of it. Can you say the same same about yourself and Wednesday? I know I don't hence the motivation. With regards the German model, yes not perfect, but a damn sight better than our current situation. Again I bet most German team supporting fans feel more part of their club than we currently do. I am not advocating a copy or clone I am advocating we do it out way whilst cherry picking, learning, and improving upon the best current models in world football. Or we can carry on with any of the other options including A).... Not that this is in any way related to the current ongoings within our club. Purely hypothetical and you feel would give you most satisfaction as a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, TheGaffer said: Taking the current situation out of the equation in an ideal world how would you like the club to be run? By this I mean there are many ways in which a club can be run: A) dictatorship, one man making all decisions be they good or bad with a team of individuals acting upon those B) a board of directors, shareholders elect a board who make all the decisions on behalf of the shareholders. Shares can be owned by whoever and the amounts of which is not limited by any constitution of the club C) fan owned with board, similar to the above with the only difference being that the club has it written within its constitution that at least 51% of the shareholding is retained within the fan base. D) fan owned dictatorship, as A with the only difference being the dictator is a fan of the club E) president. A chairman with similar powers to A and D is elected by the fanbase for a set term of 4 years. Each and every fan is entitled to register to vote subject to having purchased a ticket within each season of the previous 4 seasons. Season ticket holders are automatically registered to vote for subject to having held a season ticket within the past 8 years. F) other, please state I would chose a model similar E and would be what I campaigned for, for the trust to advocate, if standing in the trust elections coming up. Interested to hear your thoughts... WAWAW B or E 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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