Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Just now, MarvelOwls said: What was your question? Sorry mate, forgot to actually add the question. In summary, if we don’t have men on there as experts if they don’t have any experience, then why is it seen as necessary/acceptable for women with no experience to be given the same role? Isn’t that discrimation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: Better let it go. You’re arguing with a group of super-intellects here, who can’t comprehend you having a different opinion to them. You need to “educate yourself” because you’re apparently a “dinosaur” out of touch with their progressive beliefs. *I completely agree with you btw. I mute the TV whenever Alex Scott or Jenas speak. They’re on there to fill quotas and tick boxes. Love Ian Wright though, before the “intellects” have a hernia! Well you've really outdone the intellects with this post 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, asteener1867 said: its honestly starting to sound like its simply "Because they are women" Let's be honest - it IS because of that Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HillsboroughOwlNI Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: Next you'll be ranting about the licence fee and Gary Lineker FFS That was quick! No comment on the licence fee. but Lineker’s never received a penny from me… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 Just now, HillsboroughOwlNI said: but Lineker’s never received a penny from me… Bet multimillionaire sports and TV legend Lineker is gutted about your stance Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Next you'll be ranting about the licence fee and Gary Lineker FFS Gary linekers glasses look horrendous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 Just now, 83owl said: Gary linekers glasses look horrendous. but some of those in this thread would argue they're WAY better than any women wearing glasses Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: what have these female pundits said that you take issue with then.....Cos its honestly starting to sound like its simply "Because they are women" cos ive listened to it and can't really disagree with most said It’s not anything particular that they say, it’s more they have no comment around how things were when they were in the same situation, simply because they’ve never been in the situation. I could probably find a lot of people on owlstalk or Twitter or at the pub that I’d agree with when they talk about football, but I don’t think they should be put on TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: Better let it go. You’re arguing with a group of super-intellects here, who can’t comprehend you having a different opinion to them. You need to “educate yourself” because you’re apparently a “dinosaur” out of touch with their progressive beliefs. *I completely agree with you btw. I mute the TV whenever Alex Scott or Jenas speak. They’re on there to fill quotas and tick boxes. Love Ian Wright though, before the “intellects” have a hernia! Its not a matter of "progressive beliefs" is it? its a matter of listening to an opinion of someone of the opposite sex and not finding any real fault with it If you think thats "Progressive thinkin'.....".........I'll bring the tractor down to the tar pit yer stuck in.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: It’s not anything particular that they say, it’s more they have no comment around how things were when they were in the same situation, simply because they’ve never been in the situation. I could probably find a lot of people on owlstalk or Twitter or at the pub that I’d agree with when they talk about football, but I don’t think they should be put on TV I understand what you're (clumsily) trying to say but let's be fair straight white middle aged white men have had their share of everything for long enough Time to open life up to other people I think if you just said that you feel women don't have the international experience to comment on international football yet then that's way more acceptable than to suggest they're yapping on, and how others have ranted in the thread how they get all disgusted that a woman has spoken so mute the television, give the wife a black eye for not having the tea on the table, and have stormed off down the pub to play darts with Tony and Jeff Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I understand what you're trying to say but let's be fair straight white middle aged white men have had their share of everything for long enough Time to open life up to other people Nah...I totally disagree wiv that....i think i should have another few years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 On a side note though Totally unrelated My mate just got text me to say he's been fired from his job He's totally gutted He just got called in and sacked yesterday which came as a big shock as he thought he was doing ok (he’d been there a few years) He worked at that place in Doncaster that makes computer keyboards His boss told him he was sacking him as he just wasn’t putting the shifts in 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I understand what you're trying to say but let's be fair straight white middle aged white men have had their share of everything for long enough Time to open life up to other people But I just think things should be on merit, rather than giving people opportunities because of their gender or skin colour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: But I just think things should be on merit, rather than giving people opportunities because of their gender or skin colour And that's fair enough It's the other bits that you've tossed into the mix in your posts about it that are difficult and need challenging You know. The abhorrent outdated views? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I like Alex Scott. I think she’s a good pundit and decent presenter. She played football at the highest level she possibly could. Obviously if the entire commentating team excluded ex England men’s players in entirety it would be strange and unbalanced but it’s perfectly reasonable to have a bit of a mix of views and experience in a commentating team. To be fair I’m genuinely surprised how much people seem to care about football pundits. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: But I just think things should be on merit, rather than giving people opportunities because of their gender or skin colour The media isn't like that though....Its like expecting michael parkinson to be as good a boxer as Ali ...isn't it? Its how you present yourself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: Better let it go. You’re arguing with a group of super-intellects here, who can’t comprehend you having a different opinion to them. You need to “educate yourself” because you’re apparently a “dinosaur” out of touch with their progressive beliefs. *I completely agree with you btw. I mute the TV whenever Alex Scott or Jenas speak. They’re on there to fill quotas and tick boxes. Love Ian Wright though, before the “intellects” have a hernia! And thats how the modern bigot has found a voice...but successfully playing the victim every time... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl Be Back Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: Its how you present yourself ... Communicating ideas and explaining things to the viewer. Those are vital and part of that ability to present you mention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 @LondonOwl313 Genuine questions here pal, I hope you don't mind 1. You've explained that you think TV presenters should be able to draw from their own personal experiences. As we know, the women's game is some way behind the men's, and you've even praised the new Sky deal as a way to springboard that game. How long do you think we would have to wait before the women's game gets close enough to matching the level of the men's game where you would countenance a female ex-footballer offering 30 second soundbites for the viewing public? 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years? What would be your ballpark timespan before you will find a woman footballer that has had an equivalent experience to the men's game so that you can tolerate her voicing her opinion for 90 seconds? 2. Have you ever complained about ex Premier League players offering comments on FA Cup games at places like Harrogate, as they have never experienced non-league football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl Be Back Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: I mute the TV whenever Alex Scott or Jenas speak. They’re on there to fill quotas and tick boxes. Love Ian Wright though... I love Ian Wright too but I think he's extremely poor about communicating ideas a lot of the time. Prefer both Jenas and Scott over him in that space - I think they're better at doing that than he is, however producers of shows will have Wrighty on for his enthusiasm and passion which is fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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