Guest Hornsby Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Many are criminally prosecuted for late filing of accounts to this extent? Don't think so. Persistent or non filing. Why did you think law on books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 33 minutes ago, Hornsby said: Persistent or non filing. Why did you think law on books? Is there any area you’re not an expert in? UK tax Thai tax corporate legislation. everything you ever need to know about chansiri? have I missed anything? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Plonk said: Is there any area you’re not an expert in? UK tax Thai tax corporate legislation. everything you ever need to know about chansiri? have I missed anything? Why he would pay £100 ,000 for a hotel bill when fans are desperate for refunds.. More like Wigan everyday. Only Admin remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 32 minutes ago, Hornsby said: Many are. Why is he different, and has terrible compliance history. Sheffield 3 ltd accounts also late. Whats the fascination with sheffield 3 accounts they own the ground we play in, not a football team registered with the EFL, they could never file any accounts and no one would care and ir would affect no one. The problem is the same one we have had for the last 4 years the financial information needs filing with the efl before 31st March each season. We have failed to do this in multiple years. As soon as its done the embargo will be lifted, but as long as the embargo is not lifted DC has a ready made excuse for not signing any players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 I reckon the accounts will be released when the season tickets have all been renewed and the transfer window has closed Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 hour ago, room0035 said: Whats the fascination with sheffield 3 accounts they own the ground we play in, not a football team registered with the EFL, they could never file any accounts and no one would care and ir would affect no one. The problem is the same one we have had for the last 4 years the financial information needs filing with the efl before 31st March each season. We have failed to do this in multiple years. As soon as its done the embargo will be lifted, but as long as the embargo is not lifted DC has a ready made excuse for not signing any players. Cos if they go under, we may get ground back cheap. And we..I mean club, rich fan, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotherham Owl Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 hour ago, room0035 said: The problem is the same one we have had for the last 4 years the financial information needs filing with the efl before 31st March each season. We have failed to do this in multiple years. As soon as its done the embargo will be lifted, but as long as the embargo is not lifted DC has a ready made excuse for not signing any players. a) How do you know when the accounts were filed with the EFL - there is no record. b) There is only 1 time that the accounts have not been filed before 31 March at Companies House not 4. c) We are not under an Embargo because we havent broken any rules, the accounts arent due yet. d) The reason we havent signed anyone yet is because most clubs dont sign anyone until after 30 June that is why other local clubs like the pigs and Rotherham havent signed anyone and the same reason Man U, Man City and Liverpool havent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0742 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Rotherham Owl said: c) We are not under an Embargo because we havent broken any rules, the accounts arent due yet. Eh, the club have acknowledged that we're under an embargo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Rotherham Owl said: c) We are not under an Embargo because we havent broken any rules, the accounts arent due yet. We are Where do you get your information from? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Plonk said: Is there any area you’re not an expert in? UK tax Thai tax corporate legislation. everything you ever need to know about chansiri? have I missed anything? Your being rather tuf on him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotherham Owl Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, 0742 said: Eh, the club have acknowledged that we're under an embargo. When and where? 26 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: We are Where do you get your information from? By following the rules - we have not broken any and therefore we cant be under an embargo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple O Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rotherham Owl said: When and where? By following the rules - we have not broken any and therefore we cant be under an embargo That is the point. We have not complied with the EFL rule regarding submission, to them, of the accounts. So we are under embargo. We have not broken any HMRC rule in this respect (Yet). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotherham Owl Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Triple O said: That is the point. We have not complied with the EFL rule regarding submission, to them, of the accounts. So we are under embargo. We have not broken any HMRC rule in this respect (Yet). The EFL Rule says League 1 cubs - by the time they are due at Companies House . We are a League 1 club and they are not due at Companies House. So which rule have we broken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan_Pepper Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 What date in July was that story reporting that we were having to pay wages for players that were leaving? Got a feeling our accounts may magically come out the woodwork once that has passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbear1867 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rotherham Owl said: When and where? By following the rules - we have not broken any and therefore we cant be under an embargo "Sheffield Wednesday confident EFL transfer embargo will not affect their summer overhaul | Yorkshire Post" https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-confident-efl-transfer-embargo-will-not-affect-their-summer-overhaul-3190425?amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Rotherham Owl said: The EFL Rule says League 1 cubs - by the time they are due at Companies House . We are a League 1 club and they are not due at Companies House. So which rule have we broken. We were a Championship club at the time the accounts were due to be provided to the EFL. The manager was asked direct questions about it here: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/darren-moore-chansiri-rhodes-qpr-20349981 Surely if we were not under an embargo he would have said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotherham Owl Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gbear1867 said: "Sheffield Wednesday confident EFL transfer embargo will not affect their summer overhaul | Yorkshire Post" https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-confident-efl-transfer-embargo-will-not-affect-their-summer-overhaul-3190425?amp Yes as a Championship side, which we were when the article was written we were in breach of the rules re 1 March and therefore it is fair to assume we were placed under an embargo then. BUT we are a League 1 club and the rule states by the time they are due for filing at Companies House which isnt until 30 July therefore we havent broken any rule. 6 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: We were a Championship club at the time the accounts were due to be provided to the EFL. The manager was asked direct questions about it here: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/darren-moore-chansiri-rhodes-qpr-20349981 Surely if we were not under an embargo he would have said so. Again this was when we were a Championship club and Moore actually says he hasnt spoken to the chairman about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbear1867 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rotherham Owl said: Yes as a Championship side, which we were when the article was written we were in breach of the rules re 1 March and therefore it is fair to assume we were placed under an embargo then. BUT we are a League 1 club and the rule states by the time they are due for filing at Companies House which isnt until 30 July therefore we havent broken any rule. Again this was when we were a Championship club and Moore actually says he hasnt spoken to the chairman about it. Am I missing something? Why would an embargo put in place due to late filing of accounts be affected by which division we're in? Also there are ample, more recent articles on the web where local journos talk about us being under an embargo. Whatever you think of them, I'm pretty sure if we weren't that would be an easy accusation to rebuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple O Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rotherham Owl said: Yes as a Championship side, which we were when the article was written we were in breach of the rules re 1 March and therefore it is fair to assume we were placed under an embargo then. BUT we are a League 1 club and the rule states by the time they are due for filing at Companies House which isnt until 30 July therefore we havent broken any rule. Again this was when we were a Championship club and Moore actually says he hasnt spoken to the chairman about it. I really don't think the EFL are going to remove an embargo they made for one of their clubs on the basis that they were later relegated as they are still under their jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rotherham Owl said: Yes as a Championship side, which we were when the article was written we were in breach of the rules re 1 March and therefore it is fair to assume we were placed under an embargo then. BUT we are a League 1 club and the rule states by the time they are due for filing at Companies House which isnt until 30 July therefore we havent broken any rule. Again this was when we were a Championship club and Moore actually says he hasnt spoken to the chairman about it. So you seriously think that as of April we were in breach of the rules due to being in the Championship but due to be relegated we immediately apply League One rules to this rather than changing when the new season starts? That's how you think it works? So relegation worked in our favour in this respect. Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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