CHANSIRI

[Shez]

3 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

OH MY WORD

I thought it was only our club that had people that actually thought that

 

 

 

 

Nope...Leeds had it first with Bates (post admin) then Celino. In between those there was an gulf bank that loaded the club with debt. Every club has fans with their head in the sand

[@owlstalk]

Just now, Shez said:

 

Nope...Leeds had it first with Bates (post admin) then Celino. In between those there was an gulf bank that loaded the club with debt. Every club has fans with their head in the sand

 

 

Madness

I wonder if they're like that in general life?

 

 

[pussface]

16 hours ago, Frank_Lucas said:

Is he really that bad? 

 

Compared to the likes of Ken Bates, Assem Allam, Vincent Tan etc....

 

In the beginning Chansiri gave us the best football we'd seen in years and the high hopes of promotion from the Championship to the Prem and at the time he spent a fair bit of money in order to try achieve this we got a decent pitch upgrade and general ground improvements were being made at this point all was looking great for our club.

 

We could argue all day long that we shouldn't have made certain signings at the time but had we not we probably wouldn't have reached the playoffs twice? And made it to Wembley.

 

As we all know it's been a downward spiral ever since and Chansiri has also seen the darkside of football when things don't go as planned he will never expected for us to be heading to league one.

 

Now how much of what we see and hear in the media is actual FACT? 

 

Are we jumping the gun a little in calling for Chansiri OUT? Who is likely to want to step in and purchase the club with it's current state? And as fans what do we expect? 

 

Would you be happy with stability over big expenditure? 

 

Milan didn't have funds in order to present a big marquee signing in the summer transfer window so we had to rely on a little wheeler dealing and scouting in the lower leagues but yet he was a great businessman and the club was in great shape players paid on time for one.

 

Is it just the case Chansiri lacks experience in the footballing world? And has been badly advised? For me there isn't much loyalty in football it's take the money and run agents are killing the game but that's another matter.

 

I'm currently on the fence regarding Chansiri and think we should be careful of what we wish for.

 

WAWAW.

 

 

Wow

[Costello 77]

1 minute ago, pussface said:

Wow

Unbelievable.

But it's not fair to bring Kate Bush into it...so why do it mate when the club's at stake?

Amazing.

[Shez]

39 minutes ago, Revenant said:

I accept every way you look at it, it looks bad. Even beyond repair, but it can get a whole lot worse if he throws in the towel.

 

And if we end up in Administration that will be DCs fault also, but... if there is a anyway he can turn it around, I wish him all the luck in the world. If that means another summer of Umbongo while he gets high wage earners off the books then so be it.

 

I'm not that bothered about watching us win anything in empty stadiums in any case.

 

Yep...it can, and most likely will get worse (whether he throws the towel in or not). Admin is a posibility...a real posibility, it's said by many he owns all the debt but he doesn't (and the debt he does own the only way to get it back would be a % on the pound through admin....no bugger will buy the club with ongoing losses), he's mortgaged against the ground and owes real money to real people (not just the made up ones)Admin, new owner, come out of embargo and start again like leeds did without the ground, build from the ground up...acadamy, coaching staff....fundementals, and get bums back on seats/in the club shop and fresh investment/sponsorship etc on board.

 

It's been done before...but has the owner, board, staff, fans....the club on the whole... got the apetite for the project, cos if they haven't (and this includes the fans...really really includes the fans) then there's still someway to fall before rock bottom hits.

[Shez]

3 hours ago, Leeds U from sheff said:

Yup there was a small core of IMWT and they were and still are ridiculed. They had the mixed up notion that an attack on the owner is an attack on the club.     It isn't.  Especially when the owner is inept. 

 

Support the club or fizz off home was one cry.   Ignoring the fact the best way to support the club was to drive the owner out to finally let sense reign again. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is actualy much much worse at Wednesday than it was at Leeds too (under Celino's reign anyway). Though he was running the club badly they were at least upper midtable Championship team with a lot of the debt either cleared (or debentured....the gulf bank). Leeds were never really a real threat to go under even under Bates admin (or later at the bottom of League One as at that point there wasn't massive debts, the club were just about in the black). There was still a prestige that meant the club would be courted by wannabe owners...not sure Wednesday have close to that pull currently

[Shez]

19 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Madness

I wonder if they're like that in general life?

 

 

 

Probably...then look bemused when there's a bailiff at the door clamping up the car

[Rev Owl]

5 hours ago, 0742 said:

 

How can we have an idea of what to change, when we don't even know just how bad the situation is though?!

 

I am pretty sure a galvanised fanbase would back a clear strategy, more so than at most clubs, because we're desperate for success with the club. 

 

But this whole 'people like to moan but have no idea what to do' is just more tedious fan bashing, direct your negativity at the source of the misery around this football club. That is not the fans. 

Ok so...

 

We don't know what's going on but we want change.

We don't know what we need to do but we'd follow a clear strategy.

 

Why does asking what the 'DC exit strategy' is equate to bashing fans?

 

By all means let's all shout 'Chansiri Out', and to be clear, I'll join in.

 

But.... How and then what?

[0742]

11 hours ago, Rev Owl said:

Ok so...

 

We don't know what's going on but we want change.

We don't know what we need to do but we'd follow a clear strategy.

 

Why does asking what the 'DC exit strategy' is equate to bashing fans?

 

By all means let's all shout 'Chansiri Out', and to be clear, I'll join in.

 

But.... How and then what?

 

I'm not going to patronise you by asking if you believe change can only happen when all the details are absolutely known, the reality is there are hundreds of things that NEED to change immediately, but how can we as fans know about long term changes that can be made without knowing if the guy will even sell up?! That's a pretty critical need to know! 

 

But you've stated in your previous post

"The problem with threads like this is everyone shouts for change but no one has any idea how it could happen.

Any ideas"

 

See the bits in bold, that's fan bashing mate. What you are clearly suggesting is that everyone shuts up, because we're not capable of making suggestions as we're not rich enough, haven't invested our money blah blah blah. 

 

You can wrap it up with a 'i want change too, i'm not happy either' but you are still fan bashing. 

 

 

 

 

[g-owls]

Even as one of the original 30 odd fans who Dave Allen wanted to take to court, I’m not afraid to say that Chansiri is a far greater stain on this football club.

 

Allen wasn’t a pleasant man, as Chairman at least, but he did have other ventures with the casinos and dog track etc.

 

In other words, he was a serious business man.

 

As far as I can see, the current bloke has the maturity of a 10 old playing monopoly with his dad for the first time.

 

It’s all just a game to Chansiri. 

 

 

[Rev Owl]

1 hour ago, 0742 said:

 

I'm not going to patronise you by asking if you believe change can only happen when all the details are absolutely known, the reality is there are hundreds of things that NEED to change immediately, but how can we as fans know about long term changes that can be made without knowing if the guy will even sell up?! That's a pretty critical need to know! 

 

But you've stated in your previous post

"The problem with threads like this is everyone shouts for change but no one has any idea how it could happen.

Any ideas"

 

See the bits in bold, that's fan bashing mate. What you are clearly suggesting is that everyone shuts up, because we're not capable of making suggestions as we're not rich enough, haven't invested our money blah blah blah. 

 

You can wrap it up with a 'i want change too, i'm not happy either' but you are still fan bashing. 

 

 

 

 

Ok you are clearly very angry.

 

Not my intention to bash anyone sorry if the wording suggested that.

 

Your aggressive and wrong interpretation of my post doesn't amount to bashing me?

 

I'm not telling anyone to shut up. Quite the opposite, I'm asking what the solution is?

 

We all want DC out / to change.

 

What is the realistic way that it could happen? You can't take positive action without a plan and it's difficult to plan without the facts.

 

I think if you took the time, you'd find we agree.

[Guest Hornsby]

2 minutes ago, Rev Owl said:

Ok you are clearly very angry.

 

Not my intention to bash anyone sorry if the wording suggested that.

 

Your aggressive and wrong interpretation of my post doesn't amount to bashing me?

 

I'm not telling anyone to shut up. Quite the opposite, I'm asking what the solution is?

 

We all want DC out / to change.

 

What is the realistic way that it could happen? You can't take positive action without a plan and it's difficult to plan without the facts.

 

I think if you took the time, you'd find we agree.

Sell club , first solution.

 

Sell shares to fans , second.

 

Third, OFFER refunds for shares to conserve cash.

 

Then delegate to top footy people to implement imitation strategy, of Brentford.

[S36 OWL]

1 hour ago, g-owls said:

Even as one of the original 30 odd fans who Dave Allen wanted to take to court, I’m not afraid to say that Chansiri is a far greater stain on this football club.

 

Allen wasn’t a pleasant man, as Chairman at least, but he did have other ventures with the casinos and dog track etc.

 

In other words, he was a serious business man.

 

As far as I can see, the current bloke has the maturity of a 10 old playing monopoly with his dad for the first time.

 

It’s all just a game to Chansiri. 

 

 

 

I wouldn't trust Allen to run a bath. 

 

If he told me the sun was shining I would look out the window and check for myself. Vile little shiete. 

[BIG D]

Although totally misguided and deluded, Chansiri's heart is in the right place.

I never felt that about the other bloke 

[owlinexile]

6 minutes ago, BIG D said:

Although totally misguided and deluded, Chansiri's heart is in the right place.

I never felt that about the other bloke 

 

The best that can be said is that his heart is in a different wrong place.

 

Chansiri was a bored rich kid looking for a toy to play with and the ego boost of having his name on a football club with adoring fans chanting his name, rather than trying to line his pockets.

 

He has still acted pretty dishonestly throughout his ownership of the club though, looking to bend and break rules whenever he thought he could get away with it.

 

And the end result is the same.  He's going to stroll away whistling from the smoking ruin he has created and never think about Wednesday or the city of Sheffield ever again.

 

 

 

[matthefish2002]

15 minutes ago, BIG D said:

Although totally misguided and deluded, Chansiri's heart is in the right place.

I never felt that about the other bloke 

 

I don't think Chansiri heart is in the right place. Maybe it is but his brain isn't.

Was all just an ego boost to him to try and get the club in the Premier League to impress his mates.

He didn't respect the traditions of the club at all.

He liked to engage with the fans only when they were bowing and scraping to him.

 

Not sure at all why Dave Allen got involved with Wednesday or later on with Chesterfield, never came across as a football man.

Always found it strange how someone who made a fortune in the leisure industries could be abrasive and so poor at PR.
 

 

[Rev Owl]

29 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Sell club , first solution.

 

Sell shares to fans , second.

 

Third, OFFER refunds for shares to conserve cash.

 

Then delegate to top footy people to implement imitation strategy, of Brentford.

I'm with you Hornsby.

Don't we need a buyer first.

From what I can gather we're worth next to nothing and DC values us at an  unrealistic high price?

Isn't that the problem we have to overcome somehow?

[owls79]

I’m stunned he’s not come out and tried to clarify this story.

[davetherivelinowl]

On 01/06/2021 at 04:26, kingsidney said:

Transfer embargoes, points deductions, not sticking to EFL rules, selling stadium to himself, most expensive tickets outside PL, most expensive kit prices outside PL, 6 managers in 1 season, not paying player wages on time, not refunding season ticket holders on time, dodgy unknown kit manufacturers, D taxis. If we hadn’t started this season on -12, we would’ve attracted better players. If we didn’t receive the -6 points (in the end) we would’ve stayed up. How anyone can not blame Chansiri for the state the club is in baffles me. 

But apart from that.... there's nothing to complain about

[striker]

20 minutes ago, owls79 said:

I’m stunned he’s not come out and tried to clarify this story.

Normally I'd agree, but this is Chansiri. The contempt he shows towards fans is off the scale.

 

In his mind were just customers, a cash cow to subsidise his hobby, in his own time he'll tell us how much he wants for us to watch his product and he'll also tell us that if we don't like it don't come.