Well done Brenford

[Guest LondonOwl313]

2 minutes ago, billyblack said:

What a right load of rubbish that is

Why is it? Explain to me how it works if everyone tries to buy young players cheaply and then tries to sell them all in their mid twenties, then reinvest the proceeds and repeat.

 

It works only whilst you’re the only club doing it

[Guest mrbluesky]

31 minutes ago, Owls-Fan said:

No ambition but they’ve done alright despite that. 

 

 

[83owl]

1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Why is it? Explain to me how it works if everyone tries to buy young players cheaply and then tries to sell them all in their mid twenties, then reinvest the proceeds and repeat.

 

It works only whilst you’re the only club doing it

Because clubs always need new players to improve their squads. They can bring in new young players and there are always clubs like us willing to take on their old over the hill overpaid crap off their hands.

[Marro]

They’ve been building something sustainable for a few years.  Good recruitment and selling players at the right time.  Not letting sentiment and emotions get in the way like Chansiri who kept hold of an ageing squad for too long.

 

......And they have a new ground to boot.  Hope they can hold their own in the Premier League. They deserve this success.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

1 minute ago, 83owl said:

Because clubs always need new players to improve their squads. They can bring in new young players and there are always clubs like us willing to take on their old over the hill overpaid crap off their hands.

Yeah.. so basically you need badly run clubs like Sheffield Wednesday to make the model work.

 

A sustainable business would be able to raise revenues organically. Nothing about the championship is sustainable. Some teams reliant on parachute payments, some on rich owners trying to evade FFP, others trying to buy low and sell high.

 

None of those are sustainable and repeatable business models with a high degree of certainty on success.

 

Can guarantee if we tried it all the young players we buy would turn out shocking 

[bladeshater]

Wrong section

[Guest Hornsby]

8 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Why is it? Explain to me how it works if everyone tries to buy young players cheaply and then tries to sell them all in their mid twenties, then reinvest the proceeds and repeat.

 

It works only whilst you’re the only club doing it

Barnsley, Udinese, Sevilla, Peterborough, Dortmund, Leipzig,  half French league, Villarreal ....

[Marro]

There are different ways to go about being a successful football team.  Unfortunately Chansiri knows nothing about football and I have no confidence in his trusted adviser.

 

 

[DJMortimer]

I'm glad they've been promoted. Their hard work, dilligence, resolve and common sense have got the reward they deserved.

 

A few posters on here have been repeatedly bitter about them and I'm also happy if it makes them even more so. Just because we have been run by an arrogant, reckless, stubborn and incompetent owner should in no way reflect on the achievements of anyone else.

 

Naturally, it will be a monumental struggle for them to remain in the Premier League for more than a single season, but more power to them. I hope they hang around for a while and I hope Chansiri is reminded constantly of his moronic assessment of their strategy compared to his (assuming it even qualifies for such a term to begin with).

[bigash_swfc]

There was no passengers in that Brentford team, congratulations.

 

Everyone pulled their weight.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

As an example, Brentford sold Watkins and buy Toney, who arguably has turned out better. But let’s say he was a flop, what happens then.

 

Remember when we sold Antonio and bought Stevie May.. this is what I mean. Looks great when it works, but this isn’t a sure win like some in this thread think it is.

 

Sustainability is repeatable. If you make some bad signings you can try again. This model means you buy bad players who nobody wants and you’re back to square one 

[WalthamOwl]

 Very very jealous of them both on and off the pitch. They will be playing against some of the best teams and players in the world next season and we will be playing and probably losing to crap like Accrington, Shrewsbury and Plymouth. 

[Manwë]

29 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Because not everybody can be Brentford. Their model is buy low, sell high, repeat.. and hope for incremental improvements year on year.

 

If everyone did it then it would get competed away. The bigger issue is that there’s no level playing field on revenues

Thank god for Wednesday for providing the opposite of Brentford in order for the likes of Brentford to succeed.

[Manwë]

2 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

As an example, Brentford sold Watkins and buy Toney, who arguably has turned out better. But let’s say he was a flop, what happens then.

He wasn't a flop though.  Maybe they have a recruitment process that doesn't involve Paxo and Instagram likes of the son of the chairman.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

Just now, Manwë said:

He wasn't a flop though.  Maybe they have a recruitment process that doesn't involve Paxo and Instagram likes of the son of the chairman.

People keep missing the point.

 

He’s been a great success, and the club has deservedly gone up.

 

The point is that there’s no guarantees it would work.

 

Anything is better than how Chansiri has run SWFC

[83owl]

5 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

As an example, Brentford sold Watkins and buy Toney, who arguably has turned out better. But let’s say he was a flop, what happens then.

 

Remember when we sold Antonio and bought Stevie May.. this is what I mean. Looks great when it works, but this isn’t a sure win like some in this thread think it is.

 

Sustainability is repeatable. If you make some bad signings you can try again. This model means you buy bad players who nobody wants and you’re back to square one 

That’s why you spend money on scouting and infrastructure. That’s why you buy players based on both their physical and mental attributes. That’s why you have someone in charge of player retention and you don’t just hand out rising contract after contract to players that spit their dummy out or resign old crap that nobody else in the league wants.

[behindthegoal]

Brentford have been using statistical information to build their team, recruit the players they have as well as the most up to date scientific evidence about nutrition, training and performance.  Barnsley are building the same kind of modelling.  Both clubs have a history of short term managers ensuring that improvement is sustained.  The owners have followed the principles which have brought success to other sports using the model depicted in the film 'Moneyballs'. We are nowhere near to adhering to this and success will continue to evade us until we catch up.

[bolton9owl]

53 minutes ago, Owls-Fan said:

No ambition but they’ve done alright despite that. 

 

If they have no ambition I’d like to see what they could achieve WITH ambition.

They could maybe lend us a bit ️

[Manwë]

Remember when we beat Brentford in the League One playoffs all them years ago.

 

Who would you have put money on to have a new stadium and playing in the Premier League a decade or so later?

 

Now they are two divisions ahead of us, and in the likely event we meet again in the Championship in a few years(hopefully), we'll be complaining we can't compete with their finances.

 

What a shambles we are.

[Hamakua Pueo]

London has been making perfect sense in this thread. Not defending Chansiri, but pointing out correctly that the “Brentford model” requires that others don’t follow it. Brentford’s admirable achievement doesn’t suggest a repeatable path out of the train wreck that is the financial structure of the EFL.