Popular Post crookesowl Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 It’s absolutely crippled us. Yes we have an incompetent owner but the money he wanted to invest (but couldn’t) would have easily got us promoted before FFP. All those clubs in the PL should count themselves lucky they don’t have to deal with this poo . We get a 6 point deduction for trying to invest in the club. Arsenal, Spurs et al get a 5% fine on just one of their income lines for trying to start a coup. Fvxking pathetic. Football is rotten and we are now a textbook example at the wrong end. 14 1 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Our wage bill is still multiples of Coventry I bet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lupoli Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 United got promoted having been in league 1 for 6 years. Don’t blame FFP. 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 FFP is a joke, and only done to favour the relegated teams who have parachute payments, but, we know the rules and broke them, as b*llocks as they are. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post @owlstalk Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 Blaming FFP for our relegation is like someone who shopped at Debenhams blaming the local sandwich shop for Debenhams in town closing Stop looking for excuses, reasons, things to blame This one is purely, simply and ONLY our chairmans doing 23 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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S72 Owl Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 You could also add that if the EFL hadn’t incorrectly docked us 12 points in the first place none of this would have happened. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, S72 Owl said: You could also add that if the EFL hadn’t incorrectly docked us 12 points in the first place none of this would have happened. They didn’t...the judgment and punishment were decided by an independent panel. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, S72 Owl said: You could also add that if the EFL hadn’t incorrectly docked us 12 points in the first place none of this would have happened. Thats not what happened at all 5 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluesteel Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 It’s called profit and sustainability now but achieves neither. If you can afford to lose over 13m a season but breach you are not sustainable but if you can’t afford to lose 10m a season you’re ok...it’s not just the deductions but the constant embargoes and action plans. Its all set up as a deal to receive EPL solidarity money and reduce the flow of rich owners using teams in this league to get up and challenge. Some got through like Villa and wolves but others got tangled in the mire like us, Derby, Birmingham, qpr. Prior to that the top end of the championship was like premier league 2 with some huge wages. I think these kind of rules could be good for football if applied across the board but it’s only applied in this league. It’s made it a feeder league rather than a threat. Notwithstanding the above. The rules could be circumnavigated and made a mockery of and we simply didn’t get our plan and paperwork sorted. That is the infuriating thing. 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesowl Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Blaming FFP for our relegation is like someone who shopped at Debenhams blaming the local sandwich shop for Debenhams in town closing Stop looking for excuses, reasons, things to blame This one is purely, simply and ONLY our chairmans doing So you think FFP had nothing to do it? We’re allowed to point our fingers wherever we want. Because I am pointing at FFP doesn’t meant there aren’t more significant other issues. However, it is a very significant factor in our overall failing. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I agree with him on all but the ‘nucleus of the side’ being the same as 2016 being the problem. Maybe to not get promoted, yes. It’s a big reason we didn’t get over the line after Wembley. We didn’t improve it and they couldn’t improve either. But relegated? That’s not Bannan, Palmer, Lees, Westwood, Hutchinson etc. That’s the owner overseeing the rest of our former decent players leave for nothing and be replaced by garbage and landing us with points deductions. Our recruitment post Wembley has been utterly shameful. Can’t wait to see what our replacements for Lees and co are going to look like in league 1. This ‘clear out’ is a horror story I feel we’ve already gone through one episode of and we’re on to another 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 If we're going to blame FFP, I would like to formally propose we also blame the 90-minute football game. If matches were only 80 minutes long, we'd have never conceded so many late goals and ultimately would have stayed up. Frankly ridiculous football matches are so long these days 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, crookesowl said: So you think FFP had nothing to do it? We’re allowed to point our fingers wherever we want. Because I am pointing at FFP doesn’t meant there aren’t more significant other issues. However, it is a very significant factor in our overall failing. If you crashed your car because you were speeding would you lay the blame at the speed limit being too low? Edited May 9, 2021 by kobayashi 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I think we could’ve sold one or two at some point. But the core of that squad was wrecked by injury. No one would buy a crocked Hooper, Lee, Winnall. Forestieri had a ban looming over his head for three windows. We did at least sell Joao and Hunt. It’s almost as if everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. A huge wage bill and a load of assets that cannot be shifted whilst the EFL were asking “how are you going to reduce costs” But had we done the paperwork on the stadium hijinx we would have at least avoided league one. All we can focus on now is making sure we don’t get stuck down there. I’m not even sure how the spending rules work in league one but Rotherham came up with a minimal wage budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 On an unrelated note, presumably reading and Stoke are the next ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Cosby Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 FFP didn't get us a points deduction, Chansiri's botched attempt to bypass the rules was why we were penalised... And in doing so he has not only seen us relegated, but we will be saddled with debt to play in our own stadium for the next 30 years... And still in some people's eyes he's a victim of circumstance... FFS x10 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 FFP will be more or less binned off now, otherwise half the league will be starting on minus points. I’ve said it for years but FFP doesn’t work in a league where certain clubs get parachute payments, it’s unfair competition. Just look at the league table, that pattern will become normal. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 It’s to protect clubs in the championship. If you choose to circumnavigate the guidelines and utilise “loopholes” you should be prepared to pay the consequences… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 47 minutes ago, crookesowl said: It’s absolutely crippled us. Yes we have an incompetent owner but the money he wanted to invest (but couldn’t) would have easily got us promoted before FFP. All those clubs in the PL should count themselves lucky they don’t have to deal with this poo . We get a 6 point deduction for trying to invest in the club. Arsenal, Spurs et al get a 5% fine on just one of their income lines for trying to start a coup. Fvxking pathetic. Football is rotten and we are now a textbook example at the wrong end. Amazing the amount of posters that think it’s just us that are restricted by FFP. Look at the vast amount of money that other, far more wealthier owners than DC would have chucked at it as well. If the FFP gloves were off, DC’s wealth wouldn’t have easily got us promoted, we might be still the Championship though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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