Here is how to commit football suicide

[Guest wilyfox]

It certainly undermines any survival effort. Chansiri has a lot to answer for. Still disappointed in the players though. I’d rather they refuse to play citing lack of payment than turn in lacklustre performances. Once they pull on the shirt & take to the field, they should be committed.

Edited May 2, 2021 by wilyfox

[Devonstrix]

2 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

Let’s ban this rubbish now. Because posters like this obviously have no clue of the context and long term effects this has on our football club 

FFS. Ban a point of view. That’s the spirit. 

[FreshOwl]

1 minute ago, Devonstrix said:

FFS. Ban a point of view. That’s the spirit. 

Well yeah because it’s stupid, and it kicks fans into a state of apathy when what we need most is action 

[Maddogbob]

5 minutes ago, Devonstrix said:

No I wouldn’t. Is that a fact that they weren’t paid last month either? (I genuinely don’t know). 
However, if I was a player for a major football club, where the hopes of thousands of supporters rested on my commitment for 90 odd minutes once or twice a week, then too right I would put a shift in and do my best for those supporters. We’re talking about millionaire footballers here in the main ffs. 

DC deserves his own level of vitriol from the supporters and I doubt we will see him at Hillsborough again. But nobody can convince me that it’s right for the players to lay down arms and allow the club to be relegated, when its in their hands to prevent it. At the end of the day, the supporters suffer, not them. 

Mate it's a JOB.

 

You turn up for your contracted hours.

 

Do you thing as agreed.

 

Then get paid.

 

It's that simple.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Maddogbob

[Devonstrix]

3 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

It certainly undermines any survival effort. Chansiri has a lot to answer for. Still disappointed in the players though. I’d rather they refuse to play citing lack of payment than turn in lacklustre performances. Once they pull on the shirt & take to the field, they should be committed.

That’s all I was saying too Wily. 

[SallyCinnamon]

4 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

It certainly undermines any survival effort. Chansiri has a lot to answer for. Still disappointed in the players though. I’d rather they refuse to play citing lack of payment than turn in lacklustre performances. Once they pull on the shirt & take to the field, they should be committed.

It’s not as black and white as that though. They clearly tried yesterday and didn’t go out to lose. But that extra 5%, that extra bit of fight and that will to win in the sub-conscious all diminishes when you’re not being paid properly. 
 

On the eve of the biggest game of the season. Just imagine your wages which your employer is legally obliged to pay on a set day of the month doesn’t arrive in your bank account. I’d be pissed off, demoralised, annoyed - a whole bunch of negative emotions which don’t put you in the right frame of mind for such an important game.

 

Miracle we got a point.

Edited May 2, 2021 by SallyCinnamon

[Avon barksdale]

Does anyone know why he pays the wages late then in full later on ? What does he gain from this ? 

[doubleo]

Give your all.

By the way

Cheques in the post.

 

 

Sounds like a scam.

Would you buy a second hand car from this man ?

 

[Guest wilyfox]

Just now, SallyCinnamon said:

It’s not as black and white as that though. They clearly tried yesterday and didn’t go out to lose. But that extra 5%, that extra bit of fight and that will to win in the sub-conscious all diminishes when you’re not being paid properly. 
 

On the eve of the biggest game of the season. Just imagine your wages which you’r employer is legally entitled to pay on a set day of the month don’t arrive in your bank account. I’d be pissed off, demoralised, annoyed - a whole bunch of negative emotions which don’t put you in the right frame of mind for such an important game.

 

Miracle we got a point.

opinions will differ on this. My take is what I posted top of this page. If the players feel they’re affected, they should rule themselves out. I would understand that. PFA would back them as well. No-one wins with half-arsed performances. It reflects badly on the club and the players themselves. Can’t take money matters onto the pitch.

[SallyCinnamon]

3 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

opinions will differ on this. My take is what I posted top of this page. If the players feel they’re affected, they should rule themselves out. I would understand that. PFA would back them as well. No-one wins with half-arsed performances. It reflects badly on the club and the players themselves. Can’t take money matters onto the pitch.

So how would you have reacted if they refused to play and we automatically got relegated for not fulfilling a fixture?

 

You’d have called them half arsed all the same.

 

Players can’t win.

[Guest wilyfox]

1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said:

So how would you have reacted if they refused to play and we automatically got relegated for not fulfilling a fixture?

 

You’d have called them half arsed all the same.

 

Players can’t win.

Not me personally, no. I said I would understand. This has happened repeatedly and we’ve seen performances dip when it does. So clearly some of the players are affected and will know that themselves. I can’t agree with lack of effort on the pitch. Should always be pride for the badge on our shirt.

[SallyCinnamon]

1 minute ago, wilyfox said:

Not me personally, no. I said I would understand. This has happened repeatedly and we’ve seen performances dip when it does. So clearly some of the players are affected and will know that themselves. I can’t agree with lack of effort on the pitch. Should always be pride for the badge on our shirt.

Pride for the badge is such an outdated view on a footballers mentality. They have no affiliation to the club, except the fact that the club pay their wages.

 

And guess what we’re not doing? That’s right, paying their wages! It’s a job to them and their contract isn’t being honoured. 

[Maddogbob]

1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Pride for the badge is such an outdated view on a footballers mentality. They have no affiliation to the club, except the fact that the club pay their wages.

 

And guess what we’re not doing? That’s right, paying their wages! It’s a job to them and their contract isn’t being honoured. 

Exactly.

 

 

[bigdan2003]

Failed to pay them on the eve of one of the most important games in our history. 

[Guest wilyfox]

2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Pride for the badge is such an outdated view on a footballers mentality. They have no affiliation to the club, except the fact that the club pay their wages.

 

And guess what we’re not doing? That’s right, paying their wages! It’s a job to them and their contract isn’t being honoured. 

Then deal with breach of contract in the right way, not on the pitch. I’m not defending Chansiri here, before anyone accuses me of that guff. The players choose how they respond to lack of payment. There are proper channels for doing that. 

[Bouncing Owl]

24 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

It certainly undermines any survival effort. Chansiri has a lot to answer for. Still disappointed in the players though. I’d rather they refuse to play citing lack of payment than turn in lacklustre performances. Once they pull on the shirt & take to the field, they should be committed.

I wholeheartedly agree. It’s professional pride. I’ve mentioned this on another thread. I’ve no problem with Westwood, Palmer, hutch, joey, Baz and windass yesterday. The others were well off it. Reach did better after the break but that first half performance was a disgrace. 

[poite]

23 minutes ago, Avon barksdale said:

Does anyone know why he pays the wages late then in full later on ? What does he gain from this ? 

You've obviously never had to ask your parents for money then.

 

What's happens is you tell them your skint. They ask how and why and when they find out it's cos you pi££3d all your money away on rubbish that you didn't need they tell you to go f00k yourself. 

 

You keep begging and begging and even crying and eventually after a few weeks they agree to give you what you need cos they are sick of the sight of you and can't hear it anymore. 

 

That's exactly what's happened here at swfc 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest wilyfox]

16 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Pride for the badge is such an outdated view on a footballers mentality. They have no affiliation to the club, except the fact that the club pay their wages.

 

And guess what we’re not doing? That’s right, paying their wages! It’s a job to them and their contract isn’t being honoured. 

You’ve also depicted the players as mercenaries, by the way..

[Athelwulf]

I've defended Channers, but in a relegation battle that's appalling.

 

Doubly so, because when these players are gone we'll have to sign new ones.

 

Who'll come?

[@owlstalk]

46 minutes ago, Devonstrix said:

If this is true, then DC deserves plenty of flak. 
However, on the previous occasions when this happened, how long have the players been kept waiting for their money? Have they all been paid what they’re owed within a couple of weeks.? Genuine question. 
 

So whilst DC absolutely deserves plenty of flak for the way he has been running the club for the last couple of years at least, I’m sorry Neil but I can’t just absolve the players and staff of any blame at all. These are all very well off people and most of them will be able to absorb this sort of issue without too much pain. They are by no means in the same boat as the Bury players and staff were in a couple of years ago, when they went unpaid for several months (actually not paid at all) and still won promotion. 
 

These players of ours know they will be getting their not inconsiderable sums of money fairly shortly and there was no phoooking excuse whatsoever for that shambolic display yesterday, from players or staff. Sorry. 

 

Nahhhh mate

You come back to me and tell me you give 100% in your job when you've not been paid / paid on time AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN

I'm sick to the back teeth of our fans seeing all these issues that the chairman has unleashed on our players, our managers, our club and our fans and trying to excuse them by pointing a finger of distraction

Once maybe yes

Repeatedly -nahhhh mate

No chance

KEEP LASER FOCUSSED ON THE REAL PROBLEM here fffs