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He won't change and he won't leave, yet.

 

The reality is that if we start winning games, crowds will return, no matter what we feel about the owner. I include myself in that and recognise my lack of willpower.

 

Big summer ahead, get recruitment right and we have one shot at promotion with some sense of competitive advantage. That's not a foregone conclusion with Chansiri and Paxo in charge.

 

We've been cutting costs for a while and relegation will cost c£7m, but let's be fair that's chump change in terms of what has been wasted in the past, probably the costs of Abdi alone who hardly kicked a ball.

 

Time for Chansiri to put on his big boy pants, get the cheque book out to rectify this mess, entirely of his making. 

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, RedDragonOwl said:

A Chansiri out thread for every time we lose. He might well 'have his heart in the right place', but heart does not mean anything when you are about to be relegated to league one, nor does it mean anything when you have failed to meet any of the objectives when you decided to buy the club. 

 

When I make reference to 'Chansiri' I do not just mean DC. I mean any of his family, family businesses or business associates who are directly advising him, or who are having a direct input on the running of SWFC which has culminated into the situation the community within the club now faces. To suggest any objectives had been set by the leadership of SWFC would be ridiculous, as there was only one that had been set. Promotion to the premier league within two years. Those words, or the words to those effect came out of his own mouth. It could be argued that it was an achievable target, within a reasonable time scale. But this would only be likely for a club which is set-up to succeed. This is something SWFC is not, and was not when Milan sold the club. It probably has not been for the past thirty years.  Football teams which are set-up to succeed have long term strategies which are not dithered from, and could be seen to be set in stone. These clubs do not have a scatter gun approach, because it does not equate to long term success, and can put the entire future of the club in jeopardy.  

 

To be successful on the pitch, and club needs successful away from it too. This includes: player recruitment; staff recruitment; ticket pricing; and commercial activities. The club is woeful in all of these areas. I cannot be bothered to write more, as I am going of on a tangent.

 

But lets write in this thread what we would like:

 

Personally I want:

1. A figure head at the clubs who us fans can relate too, is not constantly negative, and communicates with us on a monthly basis.

2. FAR cheaper season ticket prices, and simple three tiered POTG pricing structure.

3. Putting the SWFC lettering back on the north stand seats.

4. Not signing players who have serious injury records, on large wages.

5. Getting businesses back into boxes. If they are empty, let children homes use them.

6. 5% of our annual turn over to be given to charities within Sheffield.

7. Communication of the strategy of the club going forward. 

 

The running of the club has been nothing short of negligent. If it is not announced that changes will be made. Then it is time for him to leave. The only way to get him to do this is to NOT BUY AND SEASON TICKETS OR POTG TICKETS. DO NOT BUY THEM.  

 

One of our problems is turnover, and was so long before Chansiri ever arrived.

 

Turnover affects how much a chairman is allowed to spend of his own money.

 

We never had a Revie, so we don't have a nationwide fanbase buying replica shirts like Leeds.

 

If we've got problems with P&S now, goodness knows where we'd be if our turnover were reduced by these measures.

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3 minutes ago, Athelwulf said:

 

One of our problems is turnover, and was so long before Chansiri ever arrived.

 

Turnover affects how much a chairman is allowed to spend of his own money.

 

We never had a Revie, so we don't have a nationwide fanbase buying replica shirts like Leeds.

 

If we've got problems with P&S now, goodness knows where we'd be if our turnover were reduced by these measures.

Remember that our money pays for nothing according to Chansiri.

 

If it comes to pass that next year we are in L1 and the crowds are 10-12K then he will have to put his hands even deeper in his pockets to fund the club.

 

Its going to be very interesting to see where he thinks he can set POTG prices to get enough folk in the ground to fund a L1 promotion push. 

 

He has got no one to blame but himself for the position that he finds himself in.

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4 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

Remember that our money pays for nothing according to Chansiri.

 

If it comes to pass that next year we are in L1 and the crowds are 10-12K then he will have to put his hands even deeper in his pockets to fund the club.

 

Its going to be very interesting to see where he thinks he can set POTG prices to get enough folk in the ground to fund a L1 promotion push. 

 

He has got no one to blame but himself for the position that he finds himself in.

He’s correct though isn’t he?

 

Our match day income is around £8m, retail and catering etc is probably another £2m. So before we even come to costs associated with running the club, the stadium, the academy, the general infrastructure, our contribution covers about 30% of last years wage bill.

 

In the grand scheme of running a Championship club, our contribution almost pays for nothing.

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Yeah I don’t agree with boycotting games. You’ll never convince everyone to stop going so it won’t have the desired effect and it’s unfair that we have to stop watching OUR team play at home because of one man.  I much prefer the idea of those who do attend having banners or signs or chants that make it very clear that the majority don’t want Chansiri to own the club anymore 

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10 hours ago, Sticky Micky said:

Where's these threads when we win a game? 

 

It's always the clueless b3lll3nds fault when we lose 


I think or hope the majority realise that even when we win a game once a month it doesn’t change the fact that Chansiri is killing the club. To much has happened now for him to ever turn this around imo. 

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4 minutes ago, Mcguigan said:

He’s correct though isn’t he?

 

Our match day income is around £8m, retail and catering etc is probably another £2m. So before we even come to costs associated with running the club, the stadium, the academy, the general infrastructure, our contribution covers about 30% of last years wage bill.

 

In the grand scheme of running a Championship club, our contribution almost pays for nothing.

If our money pays for nothing then why are the ticket prices the highest in The Championship?

The executive boxes are also mostly empty because no sane corporate entity will pay the money that Chansiri wants for them.

We will see next season how much our esteemed owner enjoys entirely funding his 3rd tier vanity project.

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24 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

If our money pays for nothing then why are the ticket prices the highest in The Championship?

The executive boxes are also mostly empty because no sane corporate entity will pay the money that Chansiri wants for them.

We will see next season how much our esteemed owner enjoys entirely funding his 3rd tier vanity project.

Because every possible income stream for clubs our size in the Championship, need to be maximised.

 

We can’t afford to reduce ticket prices, have the same number of fans attend and lose a couple of £m from the income.

 

People use the “our money pays for nothing” line as a huge stick to beat DC with without thinking what our contribution does actually pay for.

 

Latest set of accounts show it cost around £50m to run the club with a competitive but not top end Championship wage bill. So our, the fans, contribution was around 20% of that. 

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10 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Everything he’s said and all the money spent. All to end in the third tier of English football. Absolutely embarrassing for him surely?
 

He’s so far out of his depth it’s painful. No doubt sold a dream by Mandaric and his advisers. Thought it was easy and wanted Premier League glory. Short term plan failed, money dried up and when we needed experience and skill to navigate us through FFP and a transitional period- it appeared he was clueless. Refusing to sell Dave Jones? What was that all about? How many more players did he block from leaving the club? Very little business acumen coupled with stubbornness to do what’s best for the club. Rinsed by advisers, bloated the club with crap players who don’t reflect the wage they earn. Still refuses to seek proper help and runs the club from afar as it lurks from disaster to disaster. Culminating in the biggest disaster so far - relegation.

 

Relegation is completely embarassing considering some of the poo the chairman has spouted in the past in fans forums and in club statements. Really ******** embarrassing. 
 

I don’t feel sorry for him one bit. One of the biggest rules in life. If you don’t know what you’re doing, surround yourself with people who do. DC hasn’t. His committee was short lived and since then he’s been rinsed completely and is too proud to put a proper management structure in place to move the club forward. That’s on him. That’s his decision. No sympathy from me. 
 

Bit of a late night rant this one. But honestly take a step back and see where we’re heading. Truly embarrassing. 

 

 

Nailed it mate, bang on. 

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4 minutes ago, Mcguigan said:

Because every possible income stream for clubs our size in the Championship, need to be maximised.

 

We can’t afford to reduce ticket prices, have the same number of fans attend and lose a couple of £m from the income.

 

People use the “our money pays for nothing” line as a huge stick to beat DC with without thinking what our contribution does actually pay for.

 

Latest set of accounts show it cost around £50m to run the club with a competitive but not top end Championship wage bill. So our, the fans, contribution was around 20% of that. 

As if we need a stick to beat Chansiri with, the bloke has given us an entire forest of incompetence over the last 5 years with which to flagellate him with.

 

The ticket cost & exec boxes is just another example of his miscalculations of what the local market could stand. This taken in tandem with almost suicidal recruitment and player wage decisions means that the costs rocketed way over what they should have been.

 

His "business model" was clearly an ill thought out gamble on trying to get to the Prem quickly and we as lifelong fans will suffer the consequences of this individual's association with our club for many many years to come.

 

I suspect that a large chunk of the fanbase will simply refuse to put any money into the club while Dejphon is still involved.

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2 hours ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

As if we need a stick to beat Chansiri with, the bloke has given us an entire forest of incompetence over the last 5 years with which to flagellate him with.

 

The ticket cost & exec boxes is just another example of his miscalculations of what the local market could stand. This taken in tandem with almost suicidal recruitment and player wage decisions means that the costs rocketed way over what they should have been.

 

His "business model" was clearly an ill thought out gamble on trying to get to the Prem quickly and we as lifelong fans will suffer the consequences of this individual's association with our club for many many years to come.

 

I suspect that a large chunk of the fanbase will simply refuse to put any money into the club while Dejphon is still involved.

Let’s call it right here. The executive boxes where hardly or roaring success during MM’s reign and before in fact I’m pretty sure we made negative income on some of cheaper ones. 
 

Also, our average attendances during DC’s have been higher and brought in more revenue than MM’s, very reasonably priced tickets.

 

DC’s has got plenty wrong during his time and proved that he’s really not business man most on here originally thought he was but his was not a miscalculation of what the local market could stand because it actually improved.

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54 minutes ago, Mcguigan said:

Let’s call it right here. The executive boxes where hardly or roaring success during MM’s reign and before in fact I’m pretty sure we made negative income on some of cheaper ones. 
 

Also, our average attendances during DC’s have been higher and brought in more revenue than MM’s, very reasonably priced tickets.

 

DC’s has got plenty wrong during his time and proved that he’s really not business man most on here originally thought he was but his was not a miscalculation of what the local market could stand because it actually improved.

Having used the exec boxes a number of times, I can confirm that the price hikes that came in when DC bought the club were eye watering and he managed to completely alienate many local businesses that had a commercial relationship with the club over decades. 

We now have corporate facilities in the south stand that generate relatively little income because they are empty. Its the same mindset that has stopped us generating revenue by selling players or not selling shirt sponsorship for the last 5 years which is just crazy and smacks of DC's narcissistic inflexibility and total lack of pragmatism.

How do you see ticket revenue for next season? Assuming all is approaching normal by Sept then we will do well to get 10-12K punters thru the gates for a L1 campaign.

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I’m going dizzy reading OT today....which is it.....are folk never going again or are they worried that there will be a massive problem getting tickets for away games.

 

To hear most we should be able to POTG away to Rotherham, stretch out and have 4 seats each

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2 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

Having used the exec boxes a number of times, I can confirm that the price hikes that came in when DC bought the club were eye watering and he managed to completely alienate many local businesses that had a commercial relationship with the club over decades. 

We now have corporate facilities in the south stand that generate relatively little income because they are empty. Its the same mindset that has stopped us generating revenue by selling players or not selling shirt sponsorship for the last 5 years which is just crazy and smacks of DC's narcissistic inflexibility and total lack of pragmatism.

How do you see ticket revenue for next season? Assuming all is approaching normal by Sept then we will do well to get 10-12K punters thru the gates for a L1 campaign.

Our crowds will depend on our results, irrespective of which division. They always have. We would get bigger crowds winning league 2 than we would half way up the championship

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16 hours ago, heppers said:


It’s called socialism. The only problem with it is that sooner or later you run out of someone else’s money.

No under socialism they’d be no need for charity, charity a capitalist feel good scheme, usually undermined by taxpayer subsidy.

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20 hours ago, wilyfox said:

I’d be amazed to see him do either.

If when fans can return they dont.

 

DC has to keep paying for everything, he does not have the money to stay. But will be sell and admit failure, or run us into oblivion then blame the fans.

 

I know which one is more likely.

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