Bulldog Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 hours ago, @owlstalk said: The thing about Francis was that apart from ruining our club, he couldn't actually 'manage' players The ones he managed to Wembley and finishing 3rd twice? Yeah, cos we've really improved since he was sacked 27 years ago 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bulldog said: The ones he managed to Wembley and finishing 3rd twice? Yeah, cos we've really improved since he was sacked 27 years ago My gran could have got us to wembley with that squad - simply by washing her knickers in the bath whilst the players got on with it The second Francis had to actually manage people/players instead of just allowing them to crack on with it was when we saw his abilities as a manager e.g. he had none 5 1 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: My gran could have got us to wembley with that squad - simply by washing her knickers in the bath whilst the players got on with it The second Francis had to actually manage people/players instead of just allowing them to crack on with it was when we saw his abilities as a manager e.g. he had none Interesting comment as it's not what you have said about him before. In fact you actually agreed with me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramhall Owl Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 hours ago, The Wall said: Sorry, Ian Nolan was rubbish. Klas Ingerson, top class? Do me a favour Not sure Nolan was rubbish but he certainly wasn't an adequate replacement for Worthington. Ingesson was very poor for us by splashing £1m on him, TF had blown the last of that seasons transfer budget which meant that he wasn't able to buy Kennert Andersson for a similar amount who was absolute top quality. Petrescu was a good player but wasn't really a full back and much more suited to being a wing back although he actually became a regular for Chelsea at right midfield. Generally, after the first 2 summers, TF's signings were poor and nowhere near good enough to replace what was becoming an ageing squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Bulldog said: Interesting comment as it's not what you have said about him before. In fact you actually agreed with me! You literally just proved my point I was making the point that anyone can sign players - Francis did that I then made the point that actualy managing players is a totally different thing - Francis did NOT do that 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: You literally just proved my point I was making the point that anyone can sign players - Francis did that I then made the point that actualy managing players is a totally different thing - Francis did NOT do that I don't think I've proved anything as you agreed with my original statement. I still maintain that Francis did a brilliant job and achieved things that you and I will never see again in our lifetime. We'll just agree to disagree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 It pains me to agree with Hargreaves, not least since the fiasco with my Furlough and reduced contract. And that's before we even get to the curry sauce on fish. But in regard the management of this period I agree totally. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bulldog said: I still maintain that Francis did a brilliant job He ripped the heart out of Big Ron's team Replaced the players who left with players who were considerably worse Lost the dressing room And got sacked 3 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 7 hours ago, matthefish2002 said: Trevor Francis was sacked over quarter of a century ago now and we still seem to get a thread every week discussing if he was a good manager or a crap one, truth was he was somewhere in-between. Did some good things and then things went flat and his man magement skills let him down and deserved to be moved on. The early 90s side was a fantastic side but the average was very high with most players in they 30s and late 20s so by the time of the mid 90s most would have had to be replaced. Sadly the players brought in were not as good. But can Cantona play on grass? That's all I want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Bulldog said: Interesting comment as it's not what you have said about him before. In fact you actually agreed with me! He'll say he didn't write it.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: He ripped the heart out of Big Ron's team Replaced the players who left with players who were considerably worse Lost the dressing room And got sacked He got sacked cos of richards...he had the casting vote. Not one player wanted him out,..not one.. Finished mid table..trying to build a new team after richards lost interest and was setting himself up with the fa....hence richards wouldn't 'take a chance' with cantona's 'demands' earlier...nothing absolutely nothing to do with playing on grass btw. The club at the time had a clause in wages...any international will get bonus payments...at the end, every foookin 1st team player at the club had bonus payments....thanks to francis.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, sherlyegg said: He'll say he didn't write it.. Photoshopped 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 14 hours ago, @owlstalk said: He ripped the heart out of Big Ron's team Replaced the players who left with players who were considerably worse Lost the dressing room And got sacked I stand by my opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewings Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 15 hours ago, @owlstalk said: He ripped the heart out of Big Ron's team Replaced the players who left with players who were considerably worse Lost the dressing room And got sacked Ripped apart hahaha Atkinson bailed on us. The football was at times as good under Francis at a higher level. Walker, Waddle, Bright.... that's just three class players all better than what we had. Just about every manager eventually loses the dressing room at the end.... Took us to Wembley four times, UEFA cup, consistant top half top flight finishes. I'm not saying Francis is the best manager we ever had but he's far from the start of Wednesdays demise He was there when we was at our best. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewings Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 19 hours ago, The Wall said: Sorry, Ian Nolan was rubbish. Klas Ingerson, top class? Do me a favour Nolan was by far better than Phil King.... Worthington nope but he was 33 and even tho he carried on playing well at Leeds he did want replacing. Klas Ingerson played at two world cups for a very good Sweden team? Lets be honest Petrescu alone proved to be worth £4m of that money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 14 hours ago, sherlyegg said: He got sacked cos of richards...he had the casting vote. Not one player wanted him out,..not one.. Finished mid table..trying to build a new team after richards lost interest and was setting himself up with the fa....hence richards wouldn't 'take a chance' with cantona's 'demands' earlier...nothing absolutely nothing to do with playing on grass btw. The club at the time had a clause in wages...any international will get bonus payments...at the end, every foookin 1st team player at the club had bonus payments....thanks to francis.. Be careful, we don't do facts on here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manicowl Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Did we ever find out who "the mole" was? Was it Gordon Watson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 07/04/2021 at 15:58, @owlstalk said: He ripped the heart out of Big Ron's team Replaced the players who left with players who were considerably worse Lost the dressing room And got sacked It amazes me when I hear someone has "Lost the dressing room"?. It's a bloody great room with a Door, how can you lose it/. Pure negligence if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 07/04/2021 at 07:18, Rogerwyldesmullet said: Without denigrating Palmer, I really rated Ian Taylor - He had a terrific eye for goals arriving in the box late - had a successful time in a Villa side that was better than us. The problem with Taylor was that Trev played him out wide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 08/04/2021 at 07:59, Bluewings said: Nolan was by far better than Phil King One of the most bizarre comments I've ever seen. And I've been reading Owlstalk for years so it's up against some pretty stiff competition. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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