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2 hours ago, Marc Degryse said:

Listening to this infuriated me. Trevor Francis signed good players but ruined a great team.

At least he tried to replace the great team with other great players, Waddle, Walker, etc.  Not like Pleat

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2 hours ago, Rogers said:

At least he tried to replace the great team with other great players, Waddle, Walker, etc.  Not like Pleat


I think you are focusing on a couple of Francis’ admittedly great signings and ignoring the majority of his average/mediocre/dross signings.

 

Peter Atherton was no Nilsson.

Andy Pearce was no Pearson.

Ian Taylor was no Palmer.

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1 hour ago, Neal M said:


I think you are focusing on a couple of Francis’ admittedly great signings and ignoring the majority of his average/mediocre/dross signings.

 

Peter Atherton was no Nilsson.

Andy Pearce was no Pearson.

Ian Taylor was no Palmer.

This is true but the chairman changed budget. 

You don't go from signing Englands keeper, centre back and upcoming winger (no matter how throw he was)

to Pearce, Atherton etc.

 

Its the equivalent of the Monk era Fletcher to Patterson, Foresteri to Windass.

He's stil to blame for the signings but we was shopping at Tesco's instead of Marks and Spencer.

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The thing about Francis was that apart from ruining our club, he couldn't actually 'manage' players

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52 minutes ago, Bluewings said:

This is true but the chairman changed budget. 

You don't go from signing Englands keeper, centre back and upcoming winger (no matter how throw he was)

to Pearce, Atherton etc.

 

Its the equivalent of the Monk era Fletcher to Patterson, Foresteri to Windass.

He's stil to blame for the signings but we was shopping at Tesco's instead of Marks and Spencer.

 

We weren't quite at Lidl though. He still was able to splash cash on Nolan, Petrescu, Ingesson for the best part of £4m. 

Pearce and Atherton were just shy of a million pounds a piece. Not inconsiderable amounts - at that time , indeed not far off what we paid for the likes of Waddle and Woods.

 

I just don't think it's true to say the money had dried up. 

Indeed the year after Francis' departure we spent nearly seven million pounds on the two Serbian chaps and the wonderful, but sadly short lived Degryse.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 


The thing about Francis was that apart from ruining our club, he couldn't actually 'manage' players

Idk managed to get us to a few cup finals, 3rd finish in the top flight?  Must have said something right to the players.

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1 minute ago, Bluewings said:

Nolan did a job.... Other two top class regular international even back then £4m for these three was a bargain.

Obviously Petrescu in particular went on to be a baller.

 

But Francis gets grief for waisting money and making the side worse, which is a total myth.

Sure he inherited the base of a fantastic squad but at the same time he added players we wouldn't dream of signing

before. I can't remember the last time a team in the PL swoop for 3 England internationals. 

 

Pleat meanwhile unbalanced the squad, got rid of the old guard far to quickly and waisted more money

than anyone.

Spent money on Kovacevic for example refused to play him and went on to be a quality player.

 

Wednesdays downfall from the PL wasn't Francis by a long shot.

Typically poorly run club from the top, Wilson and Pleat did far more damage, returned far worse performances.

 

Wilson and Pleat undoubtedly played their part. 

But we cannot let Francis away scot free when we look back at the period.

 

Pleat always takes the blame for dismantling 'the boys.' 

But Francis was the one who started that process offloaded Palmer after their falling out when he decided he wanted to use him as a wide player. 

 

Bombed out Phil King after he and Barker singled him out for the Arsenal hammering. 

Fell out with Pearson and and shunted him off as being too old.... before he went on to play another 4 years for 'boro gaining promotion and Captaining them to two cup finals.

 

Refused to give Worthington pay parity, allowing him to join Leeds on and replacing him with a right footed left back susceptible to being done on the outside.

The treatment of Harkes and the way he found out he was leaving in particular was crass, especially for a player who was still on his original trial deal of less than £1000 p/w.

 

With the exception of Petrescu and Bart-Williams nearly every player signed during that period was sold or released for a fraction of the outlay.

 

It's not all Trevors fault. Other who followed him played their part as the ship breached.

But he cannot be absolved of any blame at all. The iceberg came into sight on his watch while he was at the wheel.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 


The thing about Francis was that apart from ruining our club, he couldn't actually 'manage' players

Who was "in the chair" at that time?

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Trevor Francis was sacked over quarter of a century ago now and we still seem to get a thread every week discussing if  he was a good manager or a crap one, truth was he was somewhere in-between. Did some good things and then things went flat and his man magement skills let him down and deserved to be moved on.

The early 90s side was a fantastic side but the average was very high with most players in they 30s and late 20s so by the time of the mid 90s most would have had to be replaced. Sadly the players brought in were not as good.

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40 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

Trevor Francis was sacked over quarter of a century ago now and we still seem to get a thread every week discussing if  he was a good manager or a crap one, truth was he was somewhere in-between.  



It isn't


He's a horrific manager of people

 

He (like anyone else including you or I) can sit back and enjoy when the team want to play and perform, but he was lost the second it became a case of actually having to MANAGE players individually (and therefore as a team)

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1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 


The thing about Francis was that apart from ruining our club, he couldn't actually 'manage' players

He was crap.

Like CC, took over a good side and instead of improving the squad, actually wrecked it and left some one else to pick up the pieces.

What did the both have in common?.

Both had record amount's of money to spend.

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4 hours ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said:

Without denigrating Palmer, I really rated Ian Taylor - He had a terrific eye for goals arriving in the box late - had a successful time in a Villa side that was better than us. 

 

Taylor wasn't as good as Palmer in his prime but he was a good central midfielder. Francis playing him wide left didn't help him or us. 

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6 hours ago, Neal M said:


I think you are focusing on a couple of Francis’ admittedly great signings and ignoring the majority of his average/mediocre/dross signings.

 

Peter Atherton was no Nilsson.

Andy Pearce was no Pearson.

Ian Taylor was no Palmer.


Ian Taylor TBF was a solid regular for Villa for years.

 

Yes he was no Carlton Palmer, but a different sort of player.

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4 hours ago, Bluewings said:

Nolan did a job.... Other two top class regular international even back then £4m for these three was a bargain.

 

Sorry, Ian Nolan was rubbish.

Klas Ingerson, top class? Do me a favour

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