SallyCinnamon Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just now, Bluesteel said: From 3rd to near relegated but it’s not got anything to do with the manager I’m not saying it is. He should have done more. But he’s not the reason we are where we are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: Yeah that's exactly and only what happened Its a fairly big factor in it. I guess if a manager does well in future it will just be off the field matters that facilitated it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markowski77 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 We are winning 5-0 & people are squabbling about Monk, Wildsmith , Dawson & Westwood just enjoy the bloody game , we witness this about once every 3 years 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Beast of Boulogne said: Paterson excepted Windass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said: I’m not saying it is. He should have done more. But he’s not the reason we are where we are. Its not hit fault we got a points deduction but I think he should’ve avoided some of those horrendous results and losing runs/complete capitulations. Ones that luhukay was rightly crucified for. The decision itself didn’t want to dock points that season due to it dooming us but had we even been average after being 3rd we would’ve had it out the way. A lot going on granted but it was really poor and perhaps a situation he wasn’t right for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: Its not hit fault we got a points deduction but I think he should’ve avoided some of those horrendous results and losing runs/complete capitulations. Ones that luhukay was rightly crucified for. The decision itself didn’t want to dock points that season due to it dooming us but had we even been average after being 3rd we would’ve had it out the way. A lot going on granted but it was really poor and perhaps a situation he wasn’t right for I’m just not sure that it’s true that we’d have been deducted points last season had we been more than 12 points clear of the bottom 3. Surely the EFL have to treat all teams fairly in this process and they can’t arbitrarily pick and choose when deductions are applied. It was December 2019 when we were actually charged wasn’t it. I think if anything we/Chansiri probably put as many legal obstacles in the way of the process as we could as at the time given we were in the play off positions we were probably trying to make sure it wasn’t applied last season and stop us from going up. As it turned out with Monk’s results it was the other end of the table that was more of an issue. But I think it’s more likely that it’s our lawyers that slowed things down to the point that it couldn’t be applied last reason rather than it being the EFL that just chose not to because it would relegate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: I’m not saying it is. He should have done more. But he’s not the reason we are where we are. Not playing Jordan Rhodes (with this squad) is a fairly big one within the realm of what he had to control though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just now, LondonOwl313 said: I’m just not sure that it’s true that we’d have been deducted points last season had we been more than 12 points clear of the bottom 3. Surely the EFL have to treat all teams fairly in this process and they can’t arbitrarily pick and choose when deductions are applied. It was December 2019 when we were actually charged wasn’t it. I think if anything we/Chansiri probably put as many legal obstacles in the way of the process as we could as at the time given we were in the play off positions we were probably trying to make sure it wasn’t applied last season and stop us from going up. As it turned out with Monk’s results it was the other end of the table that was more of an issue. But I think it’s more likely that it’s our lawyers that slowed things down to the point that it couldn’t be applied last reason rather than it being the EFL that just chose not to because it would relegate us. It is true. The decision said the panel were reluctant to dock 12 points at the time as the season was in hiatus and we would’ve been in a relegation battle so wanted to give the club a chance. Had we been well clear that might not have been a consideration. There was hell on from other clubs that it was a suspended deduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, WhiteOwl91 said: Not playing Jordan Rhodes (with this squad) is a fairly big one within the realm of what he had to control though. We had loads of strikers and attackers to be fair. Rhodes, Nuhiu, Winnall, Forestieri. Wickham, Windass, Murphy, Reach. Many had gone stale but enough combined to keep a team out of relegation issues if managed correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Take that Monk Bet he was expecting to sit on that sofa and tear us one Useless get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: It is true. The decision said the panel were reluctant to dock 12 points at the time as the season was in hiatus and we would’ve been in a relegation battle so wanted to give the club a chance. Had we been well clear that might not have been a consideration. There was hell on from other clubs that it was a suspended deduction Everybody forgets this. If Monk had have got us anywhere near mid table with Bruces squad we would have taken the 12 points last season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post McRightSide Posted April 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2021 Monk... refused to play Rhodes refused to play Hutchinson refused to play Börner (this season) played Bannan in a deep lying role refused to play Westwood went into the season with no left back signed Paterson as a striker refused to play Reach on the left said Adam Reach’s best position was central forward Fair to say he’s more than contributed to our on the pitch performances and league standings 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: We had loads of strikers and attackers to be fair. Rhodes, Nuhiu, Winnall, Forestieri. Wickham, Windass, Murphy, Reach. Many had gone stale but enough combined to keep a team out of relegation issues if managed correctly. Was more referring to this season at the start. To be fair I didn’t make that clear But agreed that with those we should have been well clear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 I'm torn here. I've no interest in what he has to say, but I want to see how he explains it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Monk... refused to play Rhodes refused to play Hutchinson refused to play Börner (this season) played Bannan in a deep lying role refused to play Westwood went into the season with no left back signed Paterson as a striker refused to play Reach on the left said Adam Reach’s best position was central forward Fair to say he’s more than contributed to our on the pitch performances and league standings Would love it if you could send this to Sky and have them grill him on it while he’s sat on that sofa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Think Bannan is speaking to Monk in this interview. Enjoying our football under a new manager, playing a passing game on the front foot........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just now, LondonOwl313 said: Would love it if you could send this to Sky and have them grill him on it while he’s sat on that sofa As I said, there were bigger problems at the club and I shouldn’t have taken the job Weren’t you 3rd at one point, Garry? Yeah but you know, deep problems only appear after Christmas and the results were in no way caused by me refusing to play 2 of my best players, playing our best creative player deep and picking calamity Cam in net 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Monk’s hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Spoken well and genuinely sounds like he wants these players to do well. No issues for me 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Monk has just said this is a group that can deliver this type of performance but there are things that have gone on that have led to them not delivering this consistently Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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