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[83owl]

4 minutes ago, Jim said:

I think there are so many similarities between Wilson’s time in charge here and Monk’s. Neither were very good managers living off the back of one good season at Barnsley and Swansea respectively. We’re still paying the price even now for Wilson’s time in charge. Goodness knows if we’ll ever recover from Monk’s?

You post some absolute crap but that’s up there with the worst of it.

[Bluesteel]

There are several pieces of the puzzle to solve here. A huge and seemingly immovable one being the way DC has operated. But in DM I think he have a positive manager who treats all the players the same and will hopefully play some attacking football. I think we need some stability for a period of time now unless the results are as bad as one or two others in the league below. Then of course there is the players and time will tell if we can get that right but there is a big opportunity this summer to take a step back to go forward. 
 

 

 

[Bluewings]

8 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Ridiculous. Monk is no more to blame than Carlos, Jos, Bruce. However there is one common denominator...

Depends if he brought the players in this season tbh no one will ever know.

Sure our budget was high and players had to be replaced but lets be honest

Fletcher's replacement is the right back of Scotland, if that is Monks doing than your wrong.

Same with Kachunga, Izzy Brown....dire.

 

 

[SallyCinnamon]

2 minutes ago, Bluewings said:

Depends if he brought the players in this season tbh no one will ever know.

Sure our budget was high and players had to be replaced but lets be honest

Fletcher's replacement is the right back of Scotland, if that is Monks doing than your wrong.

Same with Kachunga, Izzy Brown....dire.

 

 

Monk was working with a different budget. That budget set by the chairman. Who spent all his money within 2 years. We had to overhaul the squad during a pandemic with no money. Recipe for disaster. Not sure Monk can really be blamed for that. We employ a recruitment team to assist with transfers and put forward players. What were they doing in the summer? 

[Jim]

16 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Ridiculous. Monk is no more to blame than Carlos, Jos, Bruce. However there is one common denominator...

 

Blame the Chairman all you want but he probably could see like we all could in the second half of last season that neither Dawson or Wildsmith were good enough to be playing regular championship football yet despite the bleeding obvious the manager you and others keep defending couldn’t and this is one of the major reasons we’re going down. That decision is on him not Chansiri.

[SallyCinnamon]

3 minutes ago, Jim said:

 

Blame the Chairman all you want but he probably could see like we all could in the second half of last season that neither Dawson or Wildsmith were good enough to be playing regular championship football yet despite the bleeding obvious the manager you and others keep defending couldn’t and this is one of the major reasons we’re going down. That decision is on him not Chansiri.

I bet you Chansiri didn’t see that. Otherwise he wouldn’t have sanctioned new bumper deals for both of them. 

[Bluewings]

12 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Monk was working with a different budget. That budget set by the chairman. Who spent all his money within 2 years. We had to overhaul the squad during a pandemic with no money. Recipe for disaster. Not sure Monk can really be blamed for that. We employ a recruitment team to assist with transfers and put forward players. What were they doing in the summer? 

I get the budget thing totally.

Monk has said he brought the players in though and so he has the final say on buying a RB and leaving us without a striker up top.

I can't really think of any signing Monk has made that is at the level we need to be tbh to say he's as much to blame as the other

managers is a bit untrue.

We had the nucleus of a solid squad.

They obviously wanted replacing...fox, Nuhiu, Kieran Lee, fletcher, fessi but Monk was at the helm when we did the overhaul and along

with Chansiri and the recruitment team has left us in a far worse position than Carlos, Bruce, Jos. did probably combined.

 

[83owl]

14 minutes ago, Jim said:

 

Blame the Chairman all you want but he probably could see like we all could in the second half of last season that neither Dawson or Wildsmith were good enough to be playing regular championship football yet despite the bleeding obvious the manager you and others keep defending couldn’t and this is one of the major reasons we’re going down. That decision is on him not Chansiri.

What other choice is there other than back Dawson and Wildsmith? Westwood cant even be relied on to get through a warm up never mind a full season, he has managed to play about 12 games since Monk left in November. Also hes on the best part of 30k a week so theres no way even if we had money to spend in the summer (which we dont) we would bring in a new number 1 while hes still here. 

[Jim]

13 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

I bet you Chansiri didn’t see that. Otherwise he wouldn’t have sanctioned new bumper deals for both of them. 

 

It’s called backing his manager

Sadly he backed the wrong one.

[Jim]

Just now, 83owl said:

What other choice is there other than back Dawson and Wildsmith? Westwood cant even be relied on to get through a warm up never mind a full season, he has managed to play about 12 games since Monk left in November. Also hes on the best part of 30k a week so theres no way even if we had money to spend in the summer (which we dont) we would bring in a new number 1 while hes still here. 

 

Should’ve gone and got a new keeper if he didn’t rate Westwood but he didn’t and we’re paying the price for that decision.

[83owl]

27 minutes ago, Bluewings said:

Depends if he brought the players in this season tbh no one will ever know.

Sure our budget was high and players had to be replaced but lets be honest

Fletcher's replacement is the right back of Scotland, if that is Monks doing than your wrong.

Same with Kachunga, Izzy Brown....dire.

 

 

Fletcher was offered  a new contract but he turned it down. Anyone with half a brain could see when he pretended to hobble onto the pitch at the end of last season he had something lined up and was leaving.

 

Izzy Brown hasnt worked out but you look at how he played for Luton he can run games in this division. For us however he cant even run. 

[83owl]

1 minute ago, Jim said:

 

Should’ve gone and got a new keeper if he didn’t rate Westwood but he didn’t and we’re paying the price for that decision.

Did you even read what ive wrote before replying? How can you get a new keeper when youve got KW on 30k a week sat at home with his feet up. Even DC isnt incompetent enough to sanction finances for a new first team keeper when hes already spending on KW plus Dawson and Wildsmith. No championship team has 4 first team keepers on their books. We have had one striker all season and we didnt even bother to sign another in January so what are the odds of us buying a new keeper in the summer when we already have 3? None whatsoever.

[@owlstalk]

9 minutes ago, Jim said:

 

Should’ve gone and got a new keeper if he didn’t rate Westwood but he didn’t and we’re paying the price for that decision.

 

Amazing

[parajack]

55 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:

JL kept us up, fine then what happened? We barely got any shots on goal and had a horrendous run. 

 

Monk got us to third which was well done, you seem to want to give him plaudits for that but the subsequent car crash nothing  to do with him. Ridiculous. 
 

The blame is not just on managers, chairman or just players it’s a combination of all things. 

Players ultimately in my book....

[Guest LondonOwl313]

8 minutes ago, 83owl said:

Fletcher was offered  a new contract but he turned it down. Anyone with half a brain could see when he pretended to hobble onto the pitch at the end of last season he had something lined up and was leaving.

 

Izzy Brown hasnt worked out but you look at how he played for Luton he can run games in this division. For us however he cant even run. 

Luton fans were laughing about how bad he is so doubt he was any good for them 

[83owl]

3 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Luton fans were laughing about how bad he is so doubt he was any good for them 

Think he got something like 8 assists in 25 games and was up there with the highest assists per minute in the division so cant have played poorly. Unfortunately he cant/wont stay fit as his record shows. Not that it really matters as if he could stay fit he would be more in demand and we wouldnt be able to afford him anyway.

[Jim]

11 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Amazing

 

So you are telling me we are not paying the price for that decision? FFS our GA column falls off a cliff when Wildsmith or Dawson plays which suggests that they’re not good enough and there has been enough evidence over the last three seasons before this one to suggest this but it’s all the Chairman’s fault not Gorgeous Gaz?

[@owlstalk]

1 minute ago, Jim said:

 

So you are telling me we are not paying the price for that decision? FFS our GA column falls off a cliff when Wildsmith or Dawson plays which suggests that they’re not good enough and there has been enough evidence over the last three seasons before this one to suggest this but it’s all the Chairman’s fault not Gorgeous Gaz?

 

You're consistent - I"ll give you that

 

 

[SallyCinnamon]

19 minutes ago, 83owl said:

Did you even read what ive wrote before replying? How can you get a new keeper when youve got KW on 30k a week sat at home with his feet up. Even DC isnt incompetent enough to sanction finances for a new first team keeper when hes already spending on KW plus Dawson and Wildsmith. No championship team has 4 first team keepers on their books. We have had one striker all season and we didnt even bother to sign another in January so what are the odds of us buying a new keeper in the summer when we already have 3? None whatsoever.

Absolutely this.

[SallyCinnamon]

10 minutes ago, 83owl said:

Think he got something like 8 assists in 25 games and was up there with the highest assists per minute in the division so cant have played poorly. Unfortunately he cant/wont stay fit as his record shows. Not that it really matters as if he could stay fit he would be more in demand and we wouldnt be able to afford him anyway.

Izzy Brown has been a massive disappointment. Proper waste of a shirt. And to be honest, if we are real with ourselves, we could have seen it coming. Bloke hasn’t stayed fit at his past three previous teams. Foolish to think he could do it consistently for us this season.