Westy

[parajack]

1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said:

This is one of the common misconceptions though.. everyone thinks Westwood is on 30k when he won’t be. Maybe he was between 2016-19 but he will have had a pay cut in exchange for a 2 year deal in 2019. Would guess at about 20k. 
 

And Luongo will be on about 20k too. International midfielder, lots of experience at Championship level, first choice first team player. The idea that he’s on less than half of Westwood’s wage is way off

Unless you can reference that mate,its just an opinion like anyone elses....dont present opinion as fact,and others views as'a misconception'. unless you can evidence it....Why on earth would WW have agreed a pay cut than,under SB wasnt it?..

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1 minute ago, parajack said:

Unless you can reference that mate,its just an opinion like anyone elses....dont present opinion as fact,and others views as'a misconception'. unless you can evidence it....Why on earth would WW have agreed a pay cut than,under SB wasnt it?..

Well plenty of reasons, if you think back to 2019 we were already in the process of cutting costs. We released a lot of players and were trying to offload Rhodes too so it’s not like we were throwing money around like we did in 2016 after Wembley. I think the fact he was 34 and we’d have probably have preferred a one year deal, the fact that he signed for 2 years and that it took from April to July to negotiate it points to a lower wage. 20k is still a lot though isn’t it.

 

Also think that unfortunately Luongo will

be on more than you think. We paid a million for him too remember.

 

They’re likely to be quite close wages wise.. obviously I don’t know what they’re on so just speculating but think Westwood being on more than double what Luongo is is some way off.

[parajack]

8 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Well plenty of reasons, if you think back to 2019 we were already in the process of cutting costs. We released a lot of players and were trying to offload Rhodes too so it’s not like we were throwing money around like we did in 2016 after Wembley. I think the fact he was 34 and we’d have probably have preferred a one year deal, the fact that he signed for 2 years and that it took from April to July to negotiate it points to a lower wage. 20k is still a lot though isn’t it.

 

Also think that unfortunately Luongo will

be on more than you think. We paid a million for him too remember.

 

They’re likely to be quite close wages wise.. obviously I don’t know what they’re on so just speculating but think Westwood being on more than double what Luongo is is some way off.

I can follow your logic mate,but since when has anything to do with football,and SWFC in particular been 'logical'?? WW wages have regularly been speculated around the 30/35 K mark,i have never seen a figure as low as 20 K but i am happy to  accept your figure if you can reference it.Otherwise i think we will just agree to differ.

 

[TomtheOwl95]

26 minutes ago, sheffwed1 said:

Never in a million years would we be in the premier league under Bruce or under anyone. 
This club has been heading one way for years now and it’s clear why. 

If you average the points we got under Bruce in those 18 games out over a full season we'd have finished in the Play Offs, 6th in 18/19 and 4th in 19/20.

 

While I full accept the club is, and has been, a mess for a while. A top manager, which Bruce is at this level, can still do well. Him leaving sent the club into a tailspin it didn't need after the year wasted with Jos.

[CourteenerOwl]

I always find the disrespect on here and other sites for Westwood really strange. 
 

This is a guy for his first two seasons especially was unbelievable. That first season under Gray he single handedly kept us up. 
 

He was arguably the only player to turn up at Wembley and kept us in that game. He’s broke the clean sheet record a few times. 
 

HE COST NOTHING and has delivered time and time again. He has had a handful of bad games in half a decade. 
 

He is 36 now. It’s a testament to him he is still our best keeper by a mile but it’s not his fault age is catching up with him and he’s getting injured regularly.

 

So the”Westy” mockery is beyond belief.

 

Then look at Jordan Rhodes as an example. Cost us 10m. Earns as much, probably more than Westwood. Has contributed next to nothing for this club and certainly has not performed to the levels Westwood has consistently done. 
 

Yet the support for Rhodes is quite unreal.
 

Is that not a little strange? 
 

I for one will be very sad when Westwood leaves us. Some great memories and unlike most of this current team you always knew he played with his heart on his sleeve and winning mattered to him

[sheffwed1]

2 minutes ago, TomtheOwl95 said:

If you average the points we got under Bruce in those 18 games out over a full season we'd have finished in the Play Offs, 6th in 18/19 and 4th in 19/20.

 

While I full accept the club is, and has been, a mess for a while. A top manager, which Bruce is at this level, can still do well. Him leaving sent the club into a tailspin it didn't need after the year wasted with Jos.

would of highly likely ended up the same way under Bruce just not as drastic as it has been. 

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1 minute ago, CourteenerOwl said:

I always find the disrespect on here and other sites for Westwood really strange. 
 

This is a guy for his first two seasons especially was unbelievable. That first season under Gray he single handedly kept us up. 
 

He was arguably the only player to turn up at Wembley and kept us in that game. He’s broke the clean sheet record a few times. 
 

HE COST NOTHING and has delivered time and time again. He has had a handful of bad games in half a decade. 
 

He is 36 now. It’s a testament to him he is still our best keeper by a mile but it’s not his fault age is catching up with him and he’s getting injured regularly.

 

So the”Westy” mockery is beyond belief.

 

Then look at Jordan Rhodes as an example. Cost us 10m. Earns as much, probably more than Westwood. Has contributed next to nothing for this club and certainly has not performed to the levels Westwood has consistently done. 
 

Yet the support for Rhodes is quite unreal.
 

Is that not a little strange? 
 

I for one will be very sad when Westwood leaves us. Some great memories and unlike most of this current team you always knew he played with his heart on his sleeve and winning mattered to him

Never once seen Rhodes refuse to sit on the subs bench though

[TomtheOwl95]

2 minutes ago, sheffwed1 said:

would of highly likely ended up the same way under Bruce just not as drastic as it has been. 

Maybe. I don't see the drop off after Christmas happening if it's Bruce that was in charge.

[TomtheOwl95]

5 minutes ago, CourteenerOwl said:

I always find the disrespect on here and other sites for Westwood really strange. 
 

This is a guy for his first two seasons especially was unbelievable. That first season under Gray he single handedly kept us up. 
 

He was arguably the only player to turn up at Wembley and kept us in that game. He’s broke the clean sheet record a few times. 
 

HE COST NOTHING and has delivered time and time again. He has had a handful of bad games in half a decade. 
 

He is 36 now. It’s a testament to him he is still our best keeper by a mile but it’s not his fault age is catching up with him and he’s getting injured regularly.

 

So the”Westy” mockery is beyond belief.

 

Then look at Jordan Rhodes as an example. Cost us 10m. Earns as much, probably more than Westwood. Has contributed next to nothing for this club and certainly has not performed to the levels Westwood has consistently done. 
 

Yet the support for Rhodes is quite unreal.
 

Is that not a little strange? 
 

I for one will be very sad when Westwood leaves us. Some great memories and unlike most of this current team you always knew he played with his heart on his sleeve and winning mattered to him

He's equalled the clean sheet record twice, he's never broken it.

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51 minutes ago, parajack said:

Unless you can reference that mate,its just an opinion like anyone elses....dont present opinion as fact,and others views as'a misconception'. unless you can evidence it....Why on earth would WW have agreed a pay cut than,under SB wasnt it?..

Can i ask who the hell WW is? 

 

I know we have a lot of old crocks but William Wallace is pushing it 

[@owlstalk]

4 minutes ago, Sticky Micky said:

Can i ask who the hell WW is? 

 

I know we have a lot of old crocks but William Wallace is pushing it 

 

 

He'd be great at centre back with Mick Lyons

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[teatowl]

49 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Never once seen Rhodes refuse to sit on the subs bench though

No he just refused to take a penalty

[@owlstalk]

5 minutes ago, teatowl said:

No he just refused to take a penalty

 

True

I'd love to know what he said were the reasons behind it

If he said he felt that he wouldn't score and that it would be best giving it to someone with a better chance then it would be hard to argue that 

I wonder if we'll ever find out

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1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

Never once seen Rhodes refuse to sit on the subs bench though

 

Seen a penalty taker refuse to take a penalty in a crucial penalty shoot out though.

[CourteenerOwl]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

Never once seen Rhodes refuse to sit on the subs bench though

Which gossip told you that one? 
 

P.s Westwood back from injury on bench today. 

[CourteenerOwl]

30 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

True

I'd love to know what he said were the reasons behind it

If he said he felt that he wouldn't score and that it would be best giving it to someone with a better chance then it would be hard to argue that 

I wonder if we'll ever find out

There is my point. Dismiss Westwood yet look at the complete difference in outlook to Rhdies not taking a pen.

 

Maybe Westwood had reasons if what you said was true.

 

Yet you’re making legislations for a 10m striker refusing to take a pen - and still making excuses.

 

All seems like it’s personal with some players.

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30 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

True

I'd love to know what he said were the reasons behind it

If he said he felt that he wouldn't score and that it would be best giving it to someone with a better chance then it would be hard to argue that 

I wonder if we'll ever find out

IIRC it was said at the time that he didn't feel confident rather than outright refusal. Still not great given what he was bought to do admittedly.

 

[@owlstalk]

1 minute ago, CourteenerOwl said:

There is my point. Dismiss Westwood yet look at the complete difference in outlook to Rhdies not taking a pen.

 

Maybe Westwood had reasons if what you said was true.

 

Yet you’re making legislations for a 10m striker refusing to take a pen - and still making excuses.

 

All seems like it’s personal with some players.

 

I know what you mean and can see your point totally.

[CourteenerOwl]

1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

 

I know what you mean and can see your point totally.

There needs to be a shocked emoji. Lol