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Not a great day for the city. Like every city, it will need to continue to reinvent itself. 

 

Brick and mortar retail is on its knees. Even with the council striking a good deal for John Lewis (% of sales rent), paying for a future refurb, they've decided to close.

 

The Council owns the site and whatever the replacement, it needs to be significant.

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6 minutes ago, DeeJayOne said:

Don’t be so sure Meadowhall is safe.


There’s around 20 stores in Meadowhall that are confirmed to not be reopening after the Pandemic so far and many more on the cusp of folding or ending their lease there.

 

I know with absolute certainty Meadowhall’s owners (British Land) are concerned with things currently. They were really struggling before the pandemic, and that has been exacerbated the last year. They were planning on moving to a more food/drink/leisure/entertainment/experience led offering with a new extension but it looks like that has been axed because the mall itself is becoming less and less viable.

 

It is vital that the City Centre quickly moves towards more food/drink/leisure/entertainment/experience/office/residential offering rather than retail to ensure it is ahead of the curve and survives.

Spot on. I worked in Meadowhall for a bit and apart from Christmas and Saturdays it is dead, especially in the summer months. Loads of shops the Debenhams side won’t be reopening. 

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I've reversed me thinking on this.

 

I was in the 'why do they have to mess with things camp'.

But as has been pointed out, that's just coz I'm a miserable get, resistant to change. 

 

But thinking about it more calmly I'm all for Town being all about eating and drinking.

That way I might be able to get a seat in the local when it re-opens without having to wait an hour while two kids sharing half a Brewdog have a game game of connect four. 

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Just a bloke. Being dragged along in a world that moves too quick for it's own good.

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1 minute ago, Night King said:

Spot on. I worked in Meadowhall for a bit and apart from Christmas and Saturdays it is dead, especially in the summer months. Loads of shops the Debenhams side won’t be reopening. 

 

Add in all the Arcadia stores, 2x Thornton's etc, it starts to add up. Some of those units aren't small.

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10 minutes ago, cardiffowl06 said:

Not a great day for the city. Like every city, it will need to continue to reinvent itself. 

 

Brick and mortar retail is on its knees. Even with the council striking a good deal for John Lewis (% of sales rent), paying for a future refurb, they've decided to close.

 

The Council owns the site and whatever the replacement, it needs to be significant.

 

Turn it in to a mega poundland store, probably the best Sheffield council can hope for/attract.

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21 minutes ago, DeeJayOne said:

The real disappointment with this news is that John Lewis have essentially shafted Sheffield after promising to stay in the building for 20+ years in just August.

 

They took a bunch of money off Sheffield City Council (i.e. us taxpayers) in August with a promise to remain in the building then have just legged it a few months later.

 

City residents should be in uproar about their behaviour here.

They have not taken any money from council. John Lewis were offered the money but only if they matched it. The money on offer would only have brought the store up to a certain standard but will not guarantee customers through the door. 

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6 minutes ago, 0742 said:

 

Turn it in to a mega poundland store, probably the best Sheffield council can hope for/attract.

 

To be fair, it also has a cast choice of pawn shops and bookies. 

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Bought my first Lacoste polo shirt, lemon, from Cole Bros aged 11.

 

My best mate’s mum ran the shoe dept.

 

My wife’s sister ran the wedding lists section.

 

My wife left Levis after 9 years and became a department manager there.

 

Robbed loads of Gortex coats out of their sports shop across the road.

 

:duntmatter:

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1 hour ago, S36 OWL said:

 

The city centre will just be a haven for vegan cafes and beardy hipsters  

 

48 minutes ago, vulva said:

Not surprised. Sheffield city centre is a hole. Full of one way systems, and bike lanes for the non tax paying beardys. 

Unfortunately for you oldies, the best city centres in the country are like that. They'll be the ones that do best in a post-pandemic Britain. Places behind the times like Sheffield will only sink further unless they modernise quickly.

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1 minute ago, StudentOwl said:

 

Unfortunately for you oldies, the best city centres in the country are like that. They'll be the ones that do best in a post-pandemic Britain. Places behind the times like Sheffield will only sink further unless they modernise quickly.

Have you been to Leeds and Manchester lately? They cater for everything not just food and drink

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59 minutes ago, jamsandwich said:

now reinvent the city centre as a food and drink place..

And general leisure.

 

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The empty Debenhams store in Wandsworth’s Southside shopping centre is set to be converted to amusement centre with an indoor electric go-karting track.

The plans were approved at Wandsworth’s planning committee last night (December 17).

Planning documents show the ground floor would be used as a bar and restaurant with an electric indoor go-karting track.

The mezzanine would be used as a family entertainment centre and high
ropes climbing, with bowling, indoor golf, darts, pool, basketball and another bar and kitchen on the first floor.

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/debenhams-wandsworth-store-to-be-converted-into-amusement-centre-with-go-karting-track/

 

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Flip Out, the UK's biggest adventure park franchise, is opening a new £2 million state-of-the-art adventure centre in Croydon's Centrale Shopping Centre over the summer.

The 30,000 square foot venue will include a bumper car track, glow-in-the-dark ice rink, mini golf and Laser Quest.

There will also be "interactive" football and an assault course, an arcade and inflatable play area - making it perfect for a family day out.

The new entertainment centre - to be hosted in the long-underused upper floors of the shopping centre, will create around 25 full-time and 50 part-time jobs, in Flip Out’s second 'Super Centre' in the UK.

The fun-packed venue, situated in the heart of Croydon, will also include a soft play area for toddlers and spaces for parents to relax with refreshments and snacks from the cafe. It is not yet clear exactly when the centre will open, though it is expected to be up and running in the summer.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/croydon-town-centre-new-2m-20194542

 

 

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1 minute ago, StudentOwl said:

 

Unfortunately for you oldies, the best city centres in the country are like that. They'll be the ones that do best in a post-pandemic Britain. Places behind the times like Sheffield will only sink further unless they modernise quickly.

I think I agree reluctantly.

 

I'm a middle aged curmudgeon so this kind of redevelopment  probably would mean me hardly ever setting foot in the city centre again,  but there will hopefully be plenty who will.

 

You can't please everybody and all that, which I accept.

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57 minutes ago, vulva said:

Not surprised. Sheffield city centre is a hole. Full of one way systems, and bike lanes for the non tax paying beardys. 

Completely agree with this. Nightmare to get round and the retail element seems splattered all over the place. With little thought.

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47 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

Surely that would come with conditions and the money will be returned if it's been paid.

 

46 minutes ago, i used to be sc_owl said:


There is no way JL will keep that money. 

 

26 minutes ago, Jakes Grandad said:

They have not taken any money from council. John Lewis were offered the money but only if they matched it. The money on offer would only have brought the store up to a certain standard but will not guarantee customers through the door. 

 

As I understand it, the Council paid £3million in August on the promise that John Lewis would stay at the site for at least 20 years.

 

"The cost of buying out John Lewis’ leasehold interest was £3.4 million, it later emerged – £3 million for the lease itself, and an extra £400,000 to cover stamp duty land tax, lawyers and legal fees."

 

I also understand the Council can't claw that money back. I'm trying to get confirmation currently.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

Bought my first Lacoste polo shirt, lemon, from Cole Bros aged 11.

 

My best mate’s mum ran the shoe dept.

 

My wife’s sister ran the wedding lists section.

 

My wife left Levis after 9 years and became a department manager there.

 

Robbed loads of Gortex coats out of their sports shop across the road.

 

:duntmatter:

Why did I read this assuming it would turn into some sort of sexually deviant tale.

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Sad news. Loads of history attached to cole brothers and Cole’s corner (I know it’s a different location to current JL). 
 

The thing to do is to flatten JL and develop a piazza/Square and move on with socialising the centre. 
 

Give the centre a real heart of the city. A focal point with a background of the stunning city hall and town hall.

 

Potential for mass social gatherings such as festivals, concerts or just plain chilling on a Sunday morning with a coffee and stroll. (Pandemic permitting of course). 
 

City centre retail is dead. Time to move on to the next phase of handing over the centre to homes, small businesses, hospitality. 

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