ashamanic Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Part of being a successful team at this level is signing players who are worth more several seasons later, or even the same season. I don’t think Wednesday currently have any players worth more than when they joined us, but when is the last time we could have sold anyone for a profit? Has there been anyone recently who could have gone for over 10m? It seems like colossal mismanagement if everyone signed loses value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, ashamanic said: Part of being a successful team at this level is signing players who are worth more several seasons later, or even the same season. I don’t think Wednesday currently have any players worth more than when they joined us, but when is the last time we could have sold anyone for a profit? Has there been anyone recently who could have gone for over 10m? It seems like colossal mismanagement if everyone signed loses value. Very subtle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Philb125 Posted March 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2021 We turned down large bids for Forrestieri and Reach which were massive profits wasted. We also in past could have sold Lees, Bannan, Westwood for more than they were signed for. Our problem in last 5-7 years hasn’t been spotting undervalued players. It’s been selling them when they’ve increased in value. Instead we choose all too often to double their salary and let them play out careers here. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 We rarely improve players. Almost never. We also seem to be dreadful at negotiating fees and tying in young talent. Most sold players are at a loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) In the DC era......That I can recall, we've improved (albeit for a short time) three players significantly before letting the moment pass. Bannan, Forestieri and Reach. Improving players and moving them on is not just essential from a financial perspective. As we know all too well its also vitally important to have a certain amount of "churn" within the squad to avoid the kind of issues we've seen like the stale and sickening complacency.... The one thing we have increased consistently across the majority of our players is sick leave............ Edited March 21, 2021 by Morepork 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Well, had we allowed them to remain under contract, I’d imagine we’d have made a tidy profit on Shaw and Urhoghide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 83owl Posted March 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Philb125 said: We turned down large bids for Forrestieri and Reach which were massive profits wasted. We also in past could have sold Lees, Bannan, Westwood for more than they were signed for. Our problem in last 5-7 years hasn’t been spotting undervalued players. It’s been selling them when they’ve increased in value. Instead we choose all too often to double their salary and let them play out careers here. FF even selling at £10m we would have got 3 times our money back, instead we gave him a new deal only to watch him not bother to play for the next 2 years. Lees was rumoured to have interest by Burnley, instead we gave him a new £25k a week 5 year contract and will now lose him for nothing, Reach will have had interest surely for his form during the end of the season under Jos. I can’t think of another club in league football who would give a 35 year old injury prone keeper a extension to a £1m+ contract. People keep saying we are unlucky and our hands are tied with the FFP/EFL. It has nothing to do with luck, it’s just sheer incompetence. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Generally though, the OP is right, but when your criteria is experience, and you don’t by players under the age of 26, you are unlikely to see much of a return, after a few years, on your initial investment 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: Generally though, the OP is right, but when your criteria is experience, and you don’t by players under the age of 26, you are unlikely to see much of a return, after a few years, on your initial investment It’s a crazy way to operate. I just can’t see the logic whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 7 hours ago, ashamanic said: Part of being a successful team at this level is signing players who are worth more several seasons later, or even the same season. I don’t think Wednesday currently have any players worth more than when they joined us, but when is the last time we could have sold anyone for a profit? Has there been anyone recently who could have gone for over 10m? It seems like colossal mismanagement if everyone signed loses value. Iorfa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 We are terrible at this. People mostly point to the Forestieri case, and when you look back we clearly should have sold for 12 million but at the time i thought it was the right decision. We had just lost the playoff final and he was one of the best players in the league. Fulham were a promotion rival and we were supposedly looking to go the one step further so really not selling was the way to go. As it happened we changed our style of play paid others more he threw his toys out an it all went wrong. But at the time it was the right decision. Reach was different, we were in decline money was tight and Reach decided to have a great season. Why oh why we didnt sell then when we could and needed to i dont know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 The Wednesday Way get them for nothing ,Develop them ,make them worth millions ,Then give them away for free. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I know it's been said a million times, but this is where we need to be looking at a club like Brentford. A small club yes, but a club who are knocking on the door of the Premier league employing a model that earns them vast amounts of money from selling players they picked up from the lower leagues as youngsters and developing them.this policy gives them a young, athletic team. They do this year in, year out whilst also getting success on the pitch. We are so far behind clubs like this on every level. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Sterland (trainee) Warhurst (Oldham) Bart-Williams (Leyton Orient), Palmer (West Brom); trying to think of other players we took from lower league teams or trainees, improve them, and sold for more money than we bought them for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: The Wednesday Way get them for nothing ,Develop them ,make them worth millions ,Then give them away for free. Were also quite good at taking crocks on loan . Get them fit then send them back..eg Flint at Cardiff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkfieldowl14 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 We also excel at signing the likes of Jay Boothroyd to top it all off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since 1971 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Rogers said: Sterland (trainee) Warhurst (Oldham) Bart-Williams (Leyton Orient), Palmer (West Brom); trying to think of other players we took from lower league teams or trainees, improve them, and sold for more money than we bought them for. Agreed, not many. Brian Marwood Dalian Atkinson But it also makes me think of: Lee Chapman Andy Sinton Darko Kovacevic (Real Sociedad sold him on to Juventus for £12million 3 years after buying him from us) Terry Curran De Bilde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since 1971 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Since 1971 said: Agreed, not many. Brian Marwood Dalian Atkinson But it also makes me think of: Lee Chapman Andy Sinton Darko Kovacevic (Real Sociedad sold him on to Juventus for £12million 3 years after buying him from us) Terry Curran De Bilde Di Canio, another record signing we lost for next to nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Dutch McLovin said: We are terrible at this. People mostly point to the Forestieri case, and when you look back we clearly should have sold for 12 million but at the time i thought it was the right decision. We had just lost the playoff final and he was one of the best players in the league. Fulham were a promotion rival and we were supposedly looking to go the one step further so really not selling was the way to go. As it happened we changed our style of play paid others more he threw his toys out an it all went wrong. But at the time it was the right decision. Reach was different, we were in decline money was tight and Reach decided to have a great season. Why oh why we didnt sell then when we could and needed to i dont know. You get an offer 4x what you paid for a player then you sell them. Doesn’t matter if you’re looking to win the league or avoid relegation. Doesn’t matter if it’s January or September. They are second tier players and should be easily replaced, especially in the case of a player who has played well for 18 months out of his entire 12 year career so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: I know it's been said a million times, but this is where we need to be looking at a club like Brentford. A small club yes, but a club who are knocking on the door of the Premier league employing a model that earns them vast amounts of money from selling players they picked up from the lower leagues as youngsters and developing them.this policy gives them a young, athletic team. They do this year in, year out whilst also getting success on the pitch. We are so far behind clubs like this on every level. We literally do the opposite. We disregard any player under 23 and fawn over 30 odd year olds on massive wages. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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