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5 hours ago, kobayashi said:

He hasn’t been useless by design or accident, he has been useless because he is useless and he isn’t going to suddenly stop being useless.

Yea...but apart from that................

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The best thing he can do is sell the club to someone like Red Bull, Ineos, Amazon, Elon Musk, Basically anyone at the top of the rich lists.  
 

As he won’t sell, the next best things he can do are:-

 

1) When our relegation is confirmed (in the next few games), put out a statement apologising to fans for the situation and confirm that Moore and his team will be in charge next season

2) Don’t give expensive contracts to the players who have failed, get rid and cut our cloth accordingly 

3) let Moore decide who he wants to sign in the summer and get the deals done as early as possible 

 

The above 3 things are not difficult, but Chansiri will find a way to make it difficult  and blame the fans/insult them whilst he’s at it 

 

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26 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

As long as he keeps funding all the losses he's making I won't mind so much. If he decides to plug the plug then we'll be really up shít alley.

You don’t mind so much? It seems almost inevitable that he will soon have funded his losses to Division 3, will you still not mind if he funds his losses to Division 4?

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6 minutes ago, kobayashi said:

You don’t mind so much? It seems almost inevitable that he will soon have funded his losses to Division 3, will you still not mind if he funds his losses to Division 4?

 

I think you need to separate out the football side and the business side.

 

On the business side, yes, I stand by what I said - if the club is running at a loss but he's prepared to bankroll it, then I don't mind so much. It works for clubs like Chelsea, Man City and PSG on a bigger scale. Obviously I would prefer if we were running a profit, but pretty much all the clubs in the Championship make a loss so we're not alone there.

 

The danger is if he stops bankrolling it - and we get into a Macclesfield, Bury, Pompey, Bolton, Blackpool type situation where the club could go out of business. And we spent most of the period from 2000-2012 teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and with the club surviving from month-to-month. As long as we have an owner that is prepared to write off our losses we are in a better situation than we were then. I worry that this might change though, and if you think we have problems now, that will be nothing to what we will have if we have to start paying back all the money the club is losing.

 

As regards the football side. It's pure speculation that we might go into Division 4. If you look at the last 5-6 seasons, we've not done any worse than the 15 or so years before that. Obviously this season is a big downward trend, but we're not as bad (yet!) as we were in 2003/04 or 2010/11 when that was a real possibility.

 

Division Two - 17th

Division Two - 20th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 16th

Division Three- 5th

Division Two - 19th

Division Two - 9th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 15th

Division Two - 2nd

Division Two - 18th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 13th

Division Two - 6th

Division Two - 4th

Division Two - 15th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 23rd

 

 

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1 hour ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

I think you need to separate out the football side and the business side.

 

On the business side, yes, I stand by what I said - if the club is running at a loss but he's prepared to bankroll it, then I don't mind so much. It works for clubs like Chelsea, Man City and PSG on a bigger scale. Obviously I would prefer if we were running a profit, but pretty much all the clubs in the Championship make a loss so we're not alone there.

 

The danger is if he stops bankrolling it - and we get into a Macclesfield, Bury, Pompey, Bolton, Blackpool type situation where the club could go out of business. And we spent most of the period from 2000-2012 teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and with the club surviving from month-to-month. As long as we have an owner that is prepared to write off our losses we are in a better situation than we were then. I worry that this might change though, and if you think we have problems now, that will be nothing to what we will have if we have to start paying back all the money the club is losing.

 

As regards the football side. It's pure speculation that we might go into Division 4. If you look at the last 5-6 seasons, we've not done any worse than the 15 or so years before that. Obviously this season is a big downward trend, but we're not as bad (yet!) as we were in 2003/04 or 2010/11 when that was a real possibility.

 

Division Two - 17th

Division Two - 20th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 16th

Division Three- 5th

Division Two - 19th

Division Two - 9th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 15th

Division Two - 2nd

Division Two - 18th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 13th

Division Two - 6th

Division Two - 4th

Division Two - 15th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 23rd

 

 

Chelsea, Man City or PSG...the obvious comparisons to Chansiri’s Wednesday...

Its a football club, or at least it’s supposed to be football club, so the business is football it’s inseparable but if you like separate the terrible business operations from the terrible football operation and you end up in the same place.

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3 hours ago, Owls-Fan said:

 

2) Don’t give expensive contracts to the players who have failed, get rid and cut our cloth accordingly 

 

 

Depends what you class as ‘expensive’.

 

Thing is, we have a ridiculous amount of first team players out of contract in the summer.

 

As we know, this is down to rank bad squad management from within the club.

 

Inevitably, some of our squad players will be retained this summer, just to ease some of the burden on our recruitment team (who, fingers crossed, should be busy this summer).

 

However most fans will agree that our player’s performances since Xmas 2019 haven’t deserved a retention of any their services.

 

Frustrating as it is, we will have to be patient and pragmatic in this particular area IMO.

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2 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

I think you need to separate out the football side and the business side.

 

On the business side, yes, I stand by what I said - if the club is running at a loss but he's prepared to bankroll it, then I don't mind so much. It works for clubs like Chelsea, Man City and PSG on a bigger scale. Obviously I would prefer if we were running a profit, but pretty much all the clubs in the Championship make a loss so we're not alone there.

 

The danger is if he stops bankrolling it - and we get into a Macclesfield, Bury, Pompey, Bolton, Blackpool type situation where the club could go out of business. And we spent most of the period from 2000-2012 teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and with the club surviving from month-to-month. As long as we have an owner that is prepared to write off our losses we are in a better situation than we were then. I worry that this might change though, and if you think we have problems now, that will be nothing to what we will have if we have to start paying back all the money the club is losing.

 

As regards the football side. It's pure speculation that we might go into Division 4. If you look at the last 5-6 seasons, we've not done any worse than the 15 or so years before that. Obviously this season is a big downward trend, but we're not as bad (yet!) as we were in 2003/04 or 2010/11 when that was a real possibility.

 

Division Two - 17th

Division Two - 20th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 16th

Division Three- 5th

Division Two - 19th

Division Two - 9th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 15th

Division Two - 2nd

Division Two - 18th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 13th

Division Two - 6th

Division Two - 4th

Division Two - 15th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 23rd

 

 

It only works for PSG, Man City, etc cos they know they can generate money at the drop of a hat.  The risk of borrowing for these clubs a relatively low; we on the other hand are like a small time gambler going to the bank to ask for a loan to buy scratch cards. 

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In my mind it’s gone too deep for one singular thing to turn the tide but you have to start somewhere 

 

For me ... take your name off the north stand seats

 

When the chairman arrived I bought into it like everyone else

its easy to be wise after the event but in all honesty when CHANSIRI was put all over the seats I thought “ mmmm that’s not right” 
Listen....the guy owns the club and  I have no problem with a few  statements for sponsorship purposes but that moment was telling and it was very early on

The guy talks about ( or used to talk about family)  That statement was not about him being part of the Wednesday family . It was about us becoming part of the Chansiri project or family

you will notice the badge and shirt change soon followed 

Before lockdown you couldn’t see CHANSIRI  across the seats come kick off time

when fans return you may still be able to make out what it says come kick off time.

 

 

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On 12/03/2021 at 16:37, @owlstalk said:



YES

100%


All we want is the madness to stop, for a proper structure, respect for fans, more transparency, less secrets, more common sense management of the finances etc etc

It's not a personal thing for me or about him - it's about what's best for our club (his actions to date haven't been)


If Chansiri changed his ways I'd bear zero grudges and we can all just crack on together


We should put a presentation together and email it to him.

 

A sensible structure for running both the business side and the football side.

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13 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

I think you need to separate out the football side and the business side.

 

On the business side, yes, I stand by what I said - if the club is running at a loss but he's prepared to bankroll it, then I don't mind so much. It works for clubs like Chelsea, Man City and PSG on a bigger scale. Obviously I would prefer if we were running a profit, but pretty much all the clubs in the Championship make a loss so we're not alone there.

 

The danger is if he stops bankrolling it - and we get into a Macclesfield, Bury, Pompey, Bolton, Blackpool type situation where the club could go out of business. And we spent most of the period from 2000-2012 teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and with the club surviving from month-to-month. As long as we have an owner that is prepared to write off our losses we are in a better situation than we were then. I worry that this might change though, and if you think we have problems now, that will be nothing to what we will have if we have to start paying back all the money the club is losing.

 

As regards the football side. It's pure speculation that we might go into Division 4. If you look at the last 5-6 seasons, we've not done any worse than the 15 or so years before that. Obviously this season is a big downward trend, but we're not as bad (yet!) as we were in 2003/04 or 2010/11 when that was a real possibility.

 

Division Two - 17th

Division Two - 20th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 16th

Division Three- 5th

Division Two - 19th

Division Two - 9th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 22nd

Division Three - 15th

Division Two - 2nd

Division Two - 18th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 13th

Division Two - 6th

Division Two - 4th

Division Two - 15th

Division Two - 12th

Division Two - 16th

Division Two - 23rd

 

 

Those finishes are awful. Makes you wonder why we expect to be anywhere near the top. Looks like it's just poor decisions at the top for 20+ years. DC is just the latest in a long line.

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56 minutes ago, heppers said:


We should put a presentation together and email it to him.

 

A sensible structure for running both the business side and the football side.

The Owlstalk members who have vast experience of running multi-million pound businesses eh. I can't wait to see that one.

 

I'm wanting him gone but good grief 

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12 hours ago, Rogers said:

It only works for PSG, Man City, etc cos they know they can generate money at the drop of a hat.  The risk of borrowing for these clubs a relatively low; we on the other hand are like a small time gambler going to the bank to ask for a loan to buy scratch cards. 

 

Not really. They generate money by having a billionaire owner prepared to put endless amounts of money in, rather than being a viable business.

 

Chelsea owe £1.1bn to Abramovich (this was from a couple of years ago, I actually think it has gone up since). Yes, they could raise a couple of hundred million - but more than £1 billion? Only by dismantling the squad and then losing access to Champions League, and then in all probability getting even more in debt. They certainly can't generate anything like that amount of money in a year. Their turnover is about £400m per year, similar to a large supermarket. They would be equally as exposed if he decided to call in that debt.

 

Eight Premier League clubs have wages-to-revenue ratios of 70% or more. And if anything the Championship clubs are worse run. In 2018-19, only one club (Bristol City) made a profit after tax of more than £3 million. 20 of the clubs that year made a loss. The entire league is completely unsustainable the way football is run.

 

It is almost impossible to get promoted from the Championship without spending fortunes, and even if you do get promoted, the clubs eventually come back down (Hull, Huddersfield, Stoke, Bolton) laden with even more debt.

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He could start with bringing in a Director of Football for the long term who knows the foundations of how to set up  club.

Kenny Jacket is free, or Michael Appleton would be a start.

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7 hours ago, soldierboyblue said:

The Owlstalk members who have vast experience of running multi-million pound businesses eh. I can't wait to see that one.

 

I'm wanting him gone but good grief 

Well I do exactly that but if I did it anywhere near as badly as Chansiri does at SWFC then I wouldn’t be doing it much longer. 

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