Popular Post HIGHERSTATE Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 Relatively how good did he do now. His teams were solid as a rock. Always running and battling. Although we were almost reliant on a winger, Mguire to get a goal. Sure Atdhe chipped in with a handful. Sure some fans will moan about lack of goals but thats this place. He was supported by a smart and pragmatic chairman. If we carried on with those in charge im sure wed be in a better place now. And I miss that old scoreboard. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CircleSeven Posted March 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2021 I was surprised Gray wasn’t kept on and given a chance. As a minimum I wish he’d stayed on as defensive coach because the bloke really knows his stuff. Just another missed opportunity in a vast sea of them. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 True but I remember how dull it was and fans were quite frustrated at times. I think people overhype him. He was a good bloke and helped build a lovely platform for Carlos. Some of the football was dire though, so many games where we hardly got in the oppositions box. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 He was extremely dull, I don't think getting rid of him was a mistake, in fact CC probably got more credit than he deserved as we had been used to such dull football before him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Relatively how good did he do now. His teams were solid as a rock. Always running and battling. There's a case for saying that our decline began the moment he was dismissed. I've been called out for saying the unsayable in the past, but IMO his squad punched above it's weight while his replacements squad punched below it. There, I said it again. If only Chansiri had given him the chance to work with a bigger budget............. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Certainly Gray did a good job, but it was Carlos who showed us what might be possible. Could he have done it without the groundwork done by Gray? Definitely not, and he acknowledged that, and his best sides always included half of Gray’s side 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: Certainly Gray did a good job, but it was Carlos who showed us what might be possible. Could he have done it without the groundwork done by Gray? Definitely not, and he acknowledged that, and his best sides always included half of Gray’s side One funny stat is that Carlos only won 5 more games than Gray in his first season. Obviously that was enough for 6th place. Guess all those millions for 5 wins was worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 The games under gray used to hurt my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: One funny stat is that Carlos only won 5 more games than Gray in his first season. Obviously that was enough for 6th place. Guess all those millions for 5 wins was worth it. It's a good point. I mean if Gray had some money to spend, would he have turned us into a very defensive promotion candidate? Warning signs early for me were signing McGugan who had been great under Gray then CC not being at all interested in him. Imagine if Gray had a full season with a player like him? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 You could see watching us under Gray that he was a really good coach. Solid, organised and hard working. But we didnt spend enough money at the time to give us that extra spark to make games good to watch. Think Gray put foundations in place that allowed club to add to that season after that took us to play off final. Once foundations were ignored and we were more interested in marquee signings is where our problems began. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: One funny stat is that Carlos only won 5 more games than Gray in his first season. Obviously that was enough for 6th place. Guess all those millions for 5 wins was worth it. That’s quite an amazing stat. Guess the point is, did we really need to spend all those millions? Carlos obviously didn’t think so, because he regularly sent out a side in which only Forestieri or Hooper, cost a fee. Imagine what we could have achieved, were those millions better spent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: He was extremely dull, I don't think getting rid of him was a mistake, in fact CC probably got more credit than he deserved as we had been used to such dull football before him. Agreed, his press conferences were matched by the performances on the pitch. And I felt when the new owner came in that he should be replaced, my mistake was thinking our new owner knew what he was doing. Carlos did okay, but there’s no doubt that you give £30m to the likes of Hughton, McCarthy, Warnock, Bruce, Jokanovic etc at the time and we would have been promoted with that level of investment 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: It's a good point. I mean if Gray had some money to spend, would he have turned us into a very defensive promotion candidate? Warning signs early for me were signing McGugan who had been great under Gray then CC not being at all interested in him. Imagine if Gray had a full season with a player like him? I think Mc Gugan would have gone off the rails whover was in charge, he's done it everywhere. I'm a big fan of Grays because we couldn't buy a win under Jones and SG turned it round. Over time we became hard to beat,and well drilled. It must be remembered he did it on a shoestring. If you have no money you have to become defensive. Defenders are cheaper than attackers. Would SG have done well under DC? I would say yes but there is one niggle at the back of my mind that brings in a doubt. If my memory serves he sold Antonio to buy Stevie May. Maybe he just couldn't pick a decent attacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Grey’s football was dull at times but he had next to nothing as a transfer budget. Remember us all saying ‘What sort of player can we get for £300,000’ If Gray had been given the money that Carlos was given I and some time & freedom to spend it I reckon we’d be in a very different position right now. Stuart Gray is one of the most knowledgable people working in English football. Don’t think he’s been out of a job for more than a few weeks in the last 25 years. That’s quite a record in this cut throat business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, prowl said: I think Mc Gugan would have gone off the rails whover was in charge, he's done it everywhere. I'm a big fan of Grays because we couldn't buy a win under Jones and SG turned it round. Over time we became hard to beat,and well drilled. It must be remembered he did it on a shoestring. If you have no money you have to become defensive. Defenders are cheaper than attackers. Would SG have done well under DC? I would say yes but there is one niggle at the back of my mind that brings in a doubt. If my memory serves he sold Antonio to buy Stevie May. Maybe he just couldn't pick a decent attacker. I never really felt McGugan was given a fair chance under CC but he may well had done yeah. Was it SG decision to sell Antonio? that is the type of thing you forget when you look back fondly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I never really felt McGugan was given a fair chance under CC but he may well had done yeah. Was it SG decision to sell Antonio? that is the type of thing you forget when you look back fondly! Antonio couldnt wait to leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: The games under gray used to hurt my eyes Those games pale into insignificance compared to a lot of games under Jos and Monk. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Gray did an excellent job on limited resources. The core of the squad he signed on free transfers has formed the spine of the squad for the years under Carlos and beyond. The likes of Westwood, Lees and Hutchinson were fantastic signings. Puts the recruitment under DC to shame. Fact is we relied on those three for years and still do now to an extent. Lee and Semedo were great in midfield and both have qualities we lack now. They’d both walk into our current team at their pomp. It was a team made up of cheap loans and free agents. Similar to what we are now. But Gray and Jones assembled a much better side, got them organised, hard to beat and could spot a player. Light years ahead of the clowns in charge of our recruitment now. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 It was some of the worst sh*t I’ve seen, very similar to now. Whats the difference? The attitude and application of the players 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 Id definatly take dull over what we have now if it meant picking up points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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