@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, SheffWedOwl said: They need to be desperately playing for a new contract. If not, they could easily be left on the football scrap heap with no clubs interested in signing them. They may have all already got a new club lined up Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Plonk said: Niel. Genuine question. You keep making posts like this hinting that the situation is considerably worse than most of us think. Do you know something we don’t? Are you ( like most of us) proper angry mad with the club and venting your spleen or is it just to drive discussion in these days of flagging interest? Drive discussion???? The server exploded last night because we had 6000+ on the site at the same time hammering it and then another 6000+ and then more and more - if anything I need LESS discussion Re: the clubs situation - can’t you see the issues and the warning signs?? Where are the accounts? Why hasn’t Chansiri published them? What do you think they will tell us? What do you think the ramifications of them will be? There are 14 players out of contract in a few months that could all leave Im not repeating those points to have a pop at the chairman - this is bigger than that Im repeating them because they are relevant and about to happen - think about it - the next few months are going to be insanely bad Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffielddart Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Who thinks we will start League One on -12.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Average Div 1 salary now is £4,780per week. Squads are about 28 per club. Baz is taking about a fifth of our player budget at present for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeadonowl Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Surely the accounts when released will include the ground sale so surely we will show a small profit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 9 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Let's look at players/contract situation Westwood - has it made here. Chairman will keep giving him contracts Hutchinson - has it made here. Chairman will keep giving him contracts Bannan - Just had a new contract rushed through and announced because the chairman was under pressure over the Liam Shaw thing Liam Shaw - Off to Celtic because the fans didn't tell Chansiri two years ago that the upcoming star needed a new contract offering Now... It's March and the end of the season is coming.. The chairman has said in his last interview that all the players who they want to keep have been offered new contracts but the club (That hasnt' been paying them on time and is getting relegated) hasn't heard back from them yet So... If you were a player that wasn't in the above mentions what would you be doing right now? Trying your hardest, risking injuries and busting a gut for our chairman to try and win a new contract at a relegated club that has a history of not paying players on time and getting points deductions? Or would you have had your agent sort you out already with a new club in the summer? Think Darren Moore will be making the decision for quite a few of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 It’s not just the out of contract players we need rid of quite a few in contract ones need to go too. As far as I’m concerned the only position we’re ok for is Center Back. Hutchinson and Uroghide will be good in league one with dunkley as back up. The rest is all needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, debram said: Think Darren Moore will be making the decision for quite a few of them. I think if I was one of them my agent would have already sorted me out with a move away It's 4th March - I'd want to know what was happening to my future after the summer Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 58 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Drive discussion???? The server exploded last night because we had 6000+ on the site at the same time hammering it and then another 6000+ and then more and more - if anything I need LESS discussion Re: the clubs situation - can’t you see the issues and the warning signs?? Where are the accounts? Why hasn’t Chansiri published them? What do you think they will tell us? What do you think the ramifications of them will be? There are 14 players out of contract in a few months that could all leave Im not repeating those points to have a pop at the chairman - this is bigger than that Im repeating them because they are relevant and about to happen - think about it - the next few months are going to be insanely bad Yes I get all that. So you don’t know anymore than the rest of us and are guessing how bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 This thread saddens me. Get the impression if things are bad now then this might just be the start of it. Going to hit some new low points in our 154 year history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Plonk said: Yes I get all that. So you don’t know anymore than the rest of us and are guessing how bad it is. FFS mate - have a look at how the club's gone/going and make your own prediction How do YOU see it playing out? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 The game has changed mate. As someone has said, the percentage of players who will not have a contract past the end of this season will be at its highest level by a country mile. Granted, other clubs won’t score an own goal like the Shaw situation, but our situation will not be unique. We need a fresh start and I think we have the right team to take us forward. Bannan as our skipper in L1 is a good move for me. After that: Reach, Palmer, Penney, Joey, Hutch, Rhodes, etc have to go. Manager after manager has failed to get this team to improve - it has to be the players. And, whatever is going on off the field, once you cross that white line as a professional footballer, you give everything and I mean everything. If not being paid is an issue, you put your hand up and deselect yourself. If you are available for selection, you f****** give it everything. Lees I am divided on. I think he has something to offer BUT it is only alongside a better, vocal (Loovens) centre half. If we started next season with Lees and Borner as our first choice pairing, I wouldn’t be disappointed. If Iorfa stays and Dunks gets fit and sharp, we will have four good centre halves. Urgy needs a 3 year contract and developing either as a full back or centre half. Step up Paul Williams. We now have an identity - 4231 front foot attacking football. We need fullbacks. We need midfielders. We need strikers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 And we need goalkeepers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 9 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Let's look at players/contract situation Westwood - has it made here. Chairman will keep giving him contracts Hutchinson - has it made here. Chairman will keep giving him contracts Bannan - Just had a new contract rushed through and announced because the chairman was under pressure over the Liam Shaw thing Liam Shaw - Off to Celtic because the fans didn't tell Chansiri two years ago that the upcoming star needed a new contract offering Now... It's March and the end of the season is coming.. The chairman has said in his last interview that all the players who they want to keep have been offered new contracts but the club (That hasnt' been paying them on time and is getting relegated) hasn't heard back from them yet So... If you were a player that wasn't in the above mentions what would you be doing right now? Trying your hardest, risking injuries and busting a gut for our chairman to try and win a new contract at a relegated club that has a history of not paying players on time and getting points deductions? Or would you have had your agent sort you out already with a new club in the summer? Why do we want to keep any of these failures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Pieman said: Reach, Palmer, Penney, Joey, Hutch, Rhodes, etc have to go. Manager after manager has failed to get this team to improve - it has to be the players. And, whatever is going on off the field, once you cross that white line as a professional footballer, you give everything and I mean everything. I've worked for a few crappy companies in my life. I've had bad business owners lording it over the managers and staff. I've had pay issues. I've seen the state of the building going to pot, I've seen the tools and equipment we've had to work with get worse and worse over the time I was there, I've seen good staff treat badly, I've seen manager after manager get sacked by the business owner leading to total instability, I've seen the business's bills not being paid on time And I guarantee you here and now I wasn't 100% motivated to work my ass off and give everything to that business/business owner 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, billyblack said: Why do we want to keep any of these failures? Why do you think their replacements will succeed? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pieman said: And we need goalkeepers.... Ideally three 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 9 hours ago, Animis said: Reach is a classic example of this - and his body language says to me he's off and has had enough seen this for weeks if not months . he shouldn`t play again for us . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I've worked for a few crappy companies in my life. I've had bad business owners lording it over the managers and staff. I've had pay issues. I've seen the state of the building going to pot, I've seen the tools and equipment we've had to work with get worse and worse over the time I was there, I've seen good staff treat badly, I've seen manager after manager get sacked by the business owner leading to total instability, I've seen the business's bills not being paid on time And I guarantee you here and now I wasn't 100% motivated to work my ass off and give everything to that business/business owner I completely understand that. But there is absolutely no parallels between your example and professional football. 100,000 Wednesday fans, who all adore their team - until they die - makes a massive difference. You are not playing for the money. You are playing for the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, Pieman said: I completely understand that. But there is absolutely no parallels between your example and professional football. There's every parallel Footballers are people motivated by the same things, with the same feelings, reactions They're not this mythical creature Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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