Mosborough-owl Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 A keeper is there to make saves, even if it’s decent shot that shouldn’t be saved, it’s a keeets job to make them good saves. Atm any decent shot just goes in. wildsmith is just not good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, mcmigo said: All 3 keepers have quite well known flaws: Dawson - parries shots into dangerous areas Wildsmith - not good on shots close to his body espec low Westwood - fitness, plus timing coming off his line. Westwood seems to be much better this season than last season with his timing, and so when fit is in a different league to the other 2. The choice right now is which of the two others has the least dangerous flaw. For me, thats Wildsmith so we crack on as is I think anyone with any sense knows Westwood is far the best of the 3 but unfortunately has fitness issues. Dawson was sussed out re the parrying shots back out in front of him. He is a better organiser than Wildsmith though, shouting at his defence. Wildsmith is so quiet, you never hear him. Add to that he just seems so slow to react to situations, often rooted to the goal line. He seems scared to come out and catch balls, then amazingly the other night he came out to the edge of the penalty area and got nowhere near the ball which nearly led to a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) He's hopeless. Dawson will never recover from that Rotherham away match. Horrific. Westwood...still brings the organisation and experience. Not sure he's physically quite where he once was and more likely to makes mistakes than in his pomp. The other issue with him, is I'm not sure we will get anyone truly excelling in the number 1 spot as long as he is around. He casts quite a big shadow and is obviously a huge fan favourite. Like most things, the goalkeeper situation has turned into a farce. A new number one and a clear out is required. Edited March 5, 2021 by SiJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 The keeper situation is the worst I can remember. Over the years we have always had decent keeper at the club. Got to be one we can get on a free better than Dawson / Wildsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Clean sheet record this season.....seen by many on here as vital for winning games Dawson 44% Wildsmith 31% Westwood 27% 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, Manwë said: Mindblowing. @Bluesteel is right about Wildsmith, but I think Dawson has even further reversed. The only difference is that Dawson never seemed to peak either. It's disappointing for both, and both haven't had the kind of team in front of them that Westwood had during the good years. I'm sure both will end up being League One regulars at us or somewhere else. Saying that, i said the same about Palmer years ago and he's still here. I can handle being in League One, but if any of those keepers are in the starting line-up on the first game, then I think I'll cry. I think when Dawson first came in he was flapping all over the place. But by the time we played United at the Lane and he saved the penalty I think he looked to be on an upward trajectory and we needed to tie him down to a new deal. Since the turn of 2020 though I think both Wildsmith and Dawson have regressed and lack confidence. Westwood isn’t what he was a few years ago but he always seems quite sure of himself and that’s what we need. Someone who is prepared to be the boss in that area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: I think when Dawson first came in he was flapping all over the place. But by the time we played United at the Lane and he saved the penalty I think he looked to be on an upward trajectory and we needed to tie him down to a new deal. Since the turn of 2020 though I think both Wildsmith and Dawson have regressed and lack confidence. Westwood isn’t what he was a few years ago but he always seems quite sure of himself and that’s what we need. Someone who is prepared to be the boss in that area. And yet Westwood seems incapable of keeping as many clean sheets as the other 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Think the defence has to accept a bit of responsibility too. The likes of Lees go completely to pot when Westwood isn't constantly barking orders at them. I get that keepers are massively important, but is it too much to expect some senior players to step up a bit? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sefton owl Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, Ian said: Clean sheet record this season.....seen by many on here as vital for winning games Dawson 44% Wildsmith 31% Westwood 27% Always take those stats with a pinch of salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Sefton owl said: Always take those stats with a pinch of salt Why's that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sefton owl Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sefton owl said: Always take those stats with a pinch of salt Especially in a disastrous season like this when goals are being conceded left right and centre regardless of who plays or who we play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 48 minutes ago, Sefton owl said: Especially in a disastrous season like this when goals are being conceded left right and centre regardless of who plays or who we play And yet when the stats were looking more favourable for certain players they were seen as the be all and end all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Ian said: Clean sheet record this season.....seen by many on here as vital for winning games Dawson 44% Wildsmith 31% Westwood 27% Doesn't really give the full picture. League games this season. Dawson P8 W2 D2 L4 Conceded 9 - 1.13 p.g. Clean sheets 3 (37%) Wildsmith P14 W2 D4 L8 Conceded 19 - 1.36 p.g. Clean Sheets 4 (28%) Westwood P12 W5 D2 L5 Conceded 12 - 1.00 p.g. Clean sheets 3 (25%) * he went off injured at Swansea without conceding but not given a clean sheet. What is clear is we win more when Westwood plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said: Doesn't really give the full picture. League games this season. Dawson P8 W2 D2 L4 Conceded 9 - 1.13 p.g. Clean sheets 3 (37%) Wildsmith P14 W2 D4 L8 Conceded 19 - 1.36 p.g. Clean Sheets 4 (28%) Westwood P12 W5 D2 L5 Conceded 12 - 1.00 p.g. Clean sheets 3 (25%) * he went off injured at Swansea without conceding but not given a clean sheet. What is clear is we win more when Westwood plays. What is clear, even from your own stats is that we keep less clean sheets with Westwood than either of the other 2 much maligned academy products Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ian said: What is clear, even from your own stats is that we keep less clean sheets with Westwood than either of the other 2 much maligned academy products But we concede less goals and win more games when KW plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I really, really like to see local lads coming up through the youth teams etc and making a mark in the first team. Only bit of local pride we seem to have left. I have given Wildsmith and Dawson enough benefit of the doubt but have to agree I don't feel confident when either of them is in the net. Feel a soft goal is not far away. Westwood not the same keeper he was 5 years ago and seems too injury prone as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Ahh would be nice to sign two new goalies next season or play that Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Ian said: And yet Westwood seems incapable of keeping as many clean sheets as the other 2 Genuine question as I don’t know. How many games have each of them played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: Genuine question as I don’t know. How many games have each of them played? I don't know in total but in the last 2 seasons all 3 have played a similar number of games. Bearing in mind KW had 2 bouts of frozenitis. Dawson P31 W10 D8 L13 Conceded 43 av 1.39 pg Westwood P26 W10 D5 L11 Conceded 27 av 1.04 p.g Wildsmith P23 W4 D6 L13 Conceded 36 av 1.57 pg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinowl Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 Can’t we just play both of them in goal give us a chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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