adelphi1867 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Can you expand on that, as I see agents running a company and players are just another employee and if they can get more money in the company by placing a player into another club, then they won't hesitate to do so. Whereas I agree that players need to be represented I do wonder if the agents are looking after the company's interest more than the players. This is just my perception as I have little understanding how agents operate. I guess they mollycoddle the obvious good players and the 'lesser' players are just fodder. Thats why they have the PFA, they do not need agents. They are just parasites feeding off football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: The best way to boil it down is this Agent to player "I think you should move to another club to further your career" Player to agent "No chance - Sheffield Wednesday is amazing for me. The culture here is fantastic, everything is positive and supportive, the club's really going places and they really value and look after their players" To be fair we are quite happy to keep mediocre players for much longer than most clubs. Come to Hillsborough, guaranteed job for the rest of your career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: The best way to boil it down is this Agent to player "I think you should move to another club to further your career" Player to agent "No chance - Sheffield Wednesday is amazing for me. The culture here is fantastic, everything is positive and supportive, the club's really going places and they really value and look after their players" Sorry thought were talking more generally. Hopefully DM is the first step in installing that mentality into the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinowl Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, Tea Baggins said: DM and PW will be a massive plus in this deal. A manager who was a defender and a coach who has delivered success at youth level up to international standards. Reckon this appointment puts us in the driving seat now, surely? ^^^ This. The lad is playing well at a good level. He now has a mentor to learn from. I think he’d be crazy to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, markg said: I think that it's the other way around. I can see Urhoghide playing at a higher level than Shaw eventually. Really hope that we sort this one out Agreed, although would have like to have kept both, Urhoghide has shoewn development and worth keeping at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, adelphi1867 said: Thats why they have the PFA, they do not need agents. They are just parasites feeding off football. That's what I always thought but to my understanding the PFA does not represent players in the agent role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Player to agent "No chance - Sheffield Wednesday is amazing for me. The culture here is fantastic, everything is positive and supportive, the club's really going places and they really value and look after their players" Good one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 People make out it’s all agents it’s not if a player says I want to sign here it’s the agents job to get them the best deal players are not just robots in the matter it’s their decision ultimately if shaw wanted to stay or Uroghide wants to stay they will Reason why shaw probably signed for Celtic must be the shower we are currently running, a significantly higher contract and chances of playing European football Wednesday are currently only showing they are going in one direction. look at bannan he could have been signing for most teams in this division in some capacity id imagine but he wanted to stay his agent got that done for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Will he feel a loyalty for Wednesday for taking a chance on him when he was without a club? Or will he look to develop his career elsewhere? Has his agent being sounding out other clubs? Hope he stays as he will get plenty of games and may attract even bigger clubs in a couple of years. Think the new manager will influence his decision, he will stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 He looks a decent player to me. Not sure how high he can go, but I see him having a good career as a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Urgohide has the potential to be better than Iofa. Must keep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, debram said: Think the new manager will influence his decision, he will stay. Yeah could make a few players have a rethink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, Inspector Lestrade said: That's what I always thought but to my understanding the PFA does not represent players in the agent role I may be wrong here, but I thought James Milner always used the PFA?. When a player joins an agency, who employ's whom?. If the agency employs the player then does the club pay the agency, them the agency pay the player?. I know that is how it works in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, Inspector Lestrade said: Yeah could make a few players have a rethink I think so but then again there's the question of whether wele be in league 1 or championship, got to have a bearing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, CourteenerOwl said: Urgohide has the potential to be better than Iofa. Must keep. Early days, but he looks very solid at cb. Iorfa can be amazing, but also prone to some shocking errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, fpowl said: People make out it’s all agents it’s not if a player says I want to sign here it’s the agents job to get them the best deal players are not just robots in the matter it’s their decision ultimately if shaw wanted to stay or Uroghide wants to stay they will Reason why shaw probably signed for Celtic must be the shower we are currently running, a significantly higher contract and chances of playing European football Wednesday are currently only showing they are going in one direction. look at bannan he could have been signing for most teams in this division in some capacity id imagine but he wanted to stay his agent got that done for him What happens if the player says I want to play X and the agent says "Your going to play for Y, read your contract sonny boy, your mine for the next five years now get out there and play" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Bonvin Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Lythamowl said: this is 2121 Do you mind having a look on Google to see what the score is tomorrow against Rotherham. I’m wondering whether I need bother buying a pass or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: I may be wrong here, but I thought James Milner always used the PFA?. When a player joins an agency, who employ's whom?. If the agency employs the player then does the club pay the agency, them the agency pay the player?. I know that is how it works in the real world. I could be wrong and would like answers to the questions you pose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I think we'd regret it if he left. I think his defensive attributes are very strong and still raw. He is fast, tough and seems to have good awareness about him. I feel he will only develop further and he is showing all this in the context of a season of turmoil. I'm not saying he's Virgil Van Dijk but I reckon if he develops over the next couple of years he could be worth a couple of million (maybe more) and be a really good Championship defender. Why let him leave and just bring in a freebie/old clogger? I really think we should aim to keep this kid for next season. Let's hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standidno Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Any agent advising any young player at hillsborough - if he’s getting attention elsewhere- should be telling em to get as far away as possible. It’s a ******** poo show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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