Guest Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: So you’re suggesting that Bannan chooses not to pass forwards because there’s no one worth passing to? You really believe this ? No., I'm suggesting that if he had forwards to aim for with better attributes and better movement he would have more opportunities to play key passes and they would lead to better results, like when we had actual mobile forwards in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: No., I'm suggesting that if he had forwards to aim for with better attributes and better movement he would have more opportunities to play key passes and they would lead to better results, like when we had actual mobile forwards in the squad. Like Lucas Joao who is thriving without Bannan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Emilianenko said: Like Lucas Joao who is thriving without Bannan. Yeah, must just be the lack of Bannan that has aided him this season, nothing to do with the fact he plays for a side that has pace and a balanced squad! All down to Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Yeah, must just be the lack of Bannan that has aided him this season, nothing to do with the fact he plays for a side that has pace and a balanced squad! All down to Bannan. Balanced squad you say, not full of one trick ponies then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: Balanced squad you say, not full of one trick ponies then? What side would you pick today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: What side would you pick today? I would have Penney and Harris as wingbacks, a midfield trio of Hutch, Brown and Hunt with Rhodes and Windass up front. Move the ball forward quicker and utilise the movement of Rhodes and Windass. Also get it out wide quicker and put earlier crosses into the box. Alternativey we could stick with Bannan and make the opposing managers job easier. ”stand 10 yards off them lads , wait for Bannan to drop deep alongside their defensive midfielder “ Quickly press, and let him play his one twos before he passes it back to keeper.” We will then win the first header as it’s coming straight onto our big centre half. We then win the second ball as their midfield is stood with their centre backs.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: I would have Penney and Harris as wingbacks, a midfield trio of Hutch, Brown and Hunt with Rhodes and Windass up front. Move the ball forward quicker and utilise the movement of Rhodes and Windass. Also get it out wide quicker and put earlier crosses into the box. Alternativey we could stick with Bannan and make the opposing managers job easier. ”stand 10 yards off them lads , wait for Bannan to drop deep alongside their defensive midfielder “ Quickly press, and let him play his one twos before he passes it back to keeper.” We will then win the first header as it’s coming straight onto our big centre half. We then win the second ball as their midfield is stood with their centre backs.” Criticises Bannan for not being good enough defensively, then suggests picking a team with the one midfielder we have that is smaller and weaker than Bannan, and another midfielder so slow and immobile that they have to cart him out onto the pitch at the start of each half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: I would have Penney and Harris as wingbacks, a midfield trio of Hutch, Brown and Hunt with Rhodes and Windass up front. Move the ball forward quicker and utilise the movement of Rhodes and Windass. Also get it out wide quicker and put earlier crosses into the box. Alternativey we could stick with Bannan and make the opposing managers job easier. ”stand 10 yards off them lads , wait for Bannan to drop deep alongside their defensive midfielder “ Quickly press, and let him play his one twos before he passes it back to keeper.” We will then win the first header as it’s coming straight onto our big centre half. We then win the second ball as their midfield is stood with their centre backs.” Bannan is far more effective with mobile players and options ahead of him, that's why he was at his best with players like Lee and Hooper in the team, Bannan contributed more because these players complimented his passing ability with good movement. I'd like to see Brown given a go in front of Bannan, give him something more creative to pass to. Hutchinson has played better in defence than in midfield since returning. Hunt has featured in 9 league games for Wednesday's first team and has been on the winning side once. Different managers do not pick him, including now an academy coach who will have worked with him as closely as anyone. There's no conspiracy in selection. In your team Hunt would buzz around a bit but create nothing based on his previous appearances - he isn't even standing out in the academy team as things stand, he would also be lightweight out of possession. Brown would offer no cover without the ball leaving Hutchinson to cover too much space on his own and likely see a return to the rash challenges and frequent booking which were a feature when he was previously outnumbered in midfield, this happens much less when he plays in defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Bannan is far more effective with mobile players and options ahead of him, that's why he was at his best with players like Lee and Hooper in the team, Bannan contributed more because these players complimented his passing ability with good movement. I'd like to see Brown given a go in front of Bannan, give him something more creative to pass to. Hutchinson has played better in defence than in midfield since returning. Hunt has featured in 9 league games for Wednesday's first team and has been on the winning side once. Different managers do not pick him, including now an academy coach who will have worked with him as closely as anyone. There's no conspiracy in selection. In your team Hunt would buzz around a bit but create nothing based on his previous appearances - he isn't even standing out in the academy team as things stand, he would also be lightweight out of possession. Brown would offer no cover without the ball leaving Hutchinson to cover too much space on his own and likely see a return to the rash challenges and frequent booking which were a feature when he was previously outnumbered in midfield, this happens much less when he plays in defence. Let’s play Bannan and Reach in midfield then , so combative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 Same Bannan and Reach hating troll is trolling the thread and you're all feeding it Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: Let’s play Bannan and Reach in midfield then , so combative. And Izzy Brown is combative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 On the key passes debate, yes, it's a flawed stat, but ultimately good players set up more chances. Look at the top performing players in this category: Premier League: 1) Jack Grealish (75) 2) Bruno Fernandes (71) 3) Mason Mount (62) 4) Kevin De Bruyne (58) 5) Pedro Neto (50) Championship: 1) Emiliano Buendia (84) 2) Connor Roberts (63) 3) Jed Wallace (54) 4) Michael Olise (54) 5) Gustavo Hamer (53) 6) Elias Chair (52) 7) Barry Bannan (49) 8. Harry Wilson (49) 9) Harvey Elliott (47) 10) Mathias Jensen (47) And it is not as if this is a one-off: Championship 2019/20: 1) Matheus Pereira (116) 2) Jed Wallace (99) 3) Barry Bannan (98) 4) Said Benrahma (97) 5) John Swift (94) 6) Stewart Downing (89) 7) Jack Harrison (87) 8. Alex Mowatt (86) 9) Eberechi Eze (82) 10) Pablo Hernandez (82) Championship 2018/19: 1) Matheus Pereira (116) 2) Jed Wallace (99) 3) Barry Bannan (98) 4) Said Benrahma (97) 5) John Swift (94) 6) Stewart Downing (89) 7) Jack Harrison (87) 8. Alex Mowatt (86) 9) Eberechi Eze (82) 10) Pablo Hernandez (82) Championship 2017/18: 1) Pablo Hernandez (122) 2) Oliver Norwood (97) 3) Emiliano Buendia (91) 4) Said Benrahma (89) 5) Luke Freeman (88) 6) Barry Bannan (85) 7) Joe Lolley (84) 8. Paul Gallagher (84) 9) Ezgjan Alioski (82) 10) Jota (82) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, Emerson Thome said: On the key passes debate, yes, it's a flawed stat, but ultimately good players set up more chances. Look at the top performing players in this category: Premier League: 1) Jack Grealish (75) 2) Bruno Fernandes (71) 3) Mason Mount (62) 4) Kevin De Bruyne (58) 5) Pedro Neto (50) Championship: 1) Emiliano Buendia (84) 2) Connor Roberts (63) 3) Jed Wallace (54) 4) Michael Olise (54) 5) Gustavo Hamer (53) 6) Elias Chair (52) 7) Barry Bannan (49) 8. Harry Wilson (49) 9) Harvey Elliott (47) 10) Mathias Jensen (47) And it is not as if this is a one-off: Championship 2019/20: 1) Matheus Pereira (116) 2) Jed Wallace (99) 3) Barry Bannan (98) 4) Said Benrahma (97) 5) John Swift (94) 6) Stewart Downing (89) 7) Jack Harrison (87) 8. Alex Mowatt (86) 9) Eberechi Eze (82) 10) Pablo Hernandez (82) Championship 2018/19: 1) Matheus Pereira (116) 2) Jed Wallace (99) 3) Barry Bannan (98) 4) Said Benrahma (97) 5) John Swift (94) 6) Stewart Downing (89) 7) Jack Harrison (87) 8. Alex Mowatt (86) 9) Eberechi Eze (82) 10) Pablo Hernandez (82) Championship 2017/18: 1) Pablo Hernandez (122) 2) Oliver Norwood (97) 3) Emiliano Buendia (91) 4) Said Benrahma (89) 5) Luke Freeman (88) 6) Barry Bannan (85) 7) Joe Lolley (84) 8. Paul Gallagher (84) 9) Ezgjan Alioski (82) 10) Jota (82) 100% correct But you're being trolled by someone in this thread who will see these stats and argue against them and try to make out they're irrelevant but his hate of Bannan and Reach is right Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Oops - 2019/20 somehow got in there twice. Should read: Championship 2019/20: 1) Matheus Pereira (116) 2) Jed Wallace (99) 3) Barry Bannan (98) 4) Said Benrahma (97) 5) John Swift (94) 6) Stewart Downing (89) 7) Jack Harrison (87) 8. Alex Mowatt (86) 9) Eberechi Eze (82) 10) Pablo Hernandez (82) Championship 2018/19: 1) Pablo Hernandez (122) 2) Oliver Norwood (97) 3) Emiliano Buendia (91) 4) Said Benrahma (89) 5) Luke Freeman (88) 6) Barry Bannan (85) 7) Joe Lolley (84) 8. Paul Gallagher (84) 9) Ezgjan Alioski (82) 10) Jota (82) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 16 hours ago, Emilianenko said: Premier League Norwich wanted Rhodes 16 hours ago, Emilianenko said: Yes I do but this is not about Rhodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Barry Bannan takes 99% of our set pieces. By that default alone he should be in the top 10. The fact that he is nowhere near the top ten in assists only goes to prove his key passes aren’t good enough. Our strikers and former strikers have better goal scoring records at their other teams. Case dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said: On the key passes debate, yes, it's a flawed stat, but ultimately good players set up more chances. Look at the top performing players in this category: Premier League: 1) Jack Grealish (75) 2) Bruno Fernandes (71) 3) Mason Mount (62) 4) Kevin De Bruyne (58) 5) Pedro Neto (50) Championship: 1) Emiliano Buendia (84) 2) Connor Roberts (63) 3) Jed Wallace (54) 4) Michael Olise (54) 5) Gustavo Hamer (53) 6) Elias Chair (52) 7) Barry Bannan (49) 8. Harry Wilson (49) 9) Harvey Elliott (47) 10) Mathias Jensen (47) And it is not as if this is a one-off: Championship 2019/20: 1) Matheus Pereira (116) 2) Jed Wallace (99) 3) Barry Bannan (98) 4) Said Benrahma (97) 5) John Swift (94) 6) Stewart Downing (89) 7) Jack Harrison (87) 8. Alex Mowatt (86) 9) Eberechi Eze (82) 10) Pablo Hernandez (82) Championship 2018/19: 1) Matheus Pereira (116) 2) Jed Wallace (99) 3) Barry Bannan (98) 4) Said Benrahma (97) 5) John Swift (94) 6) Stewart Downing (89) 7) Jack Harrison (87) 8. Alex Mowatt (86) 9) Eberechi Eze (82) 10) Pablo Hernandez (82) Championship 2017/18: 1) Pablo Hernandez (122) 2) Oliver Norwood (97) 3) Emiliano Buendia (91) 4) Said Benrahma (89) 5) Luke Freeman (88) 6) Barry Bannan (85) 7) Joe Lolley (84) 8. Paul Gallagher (84) 9) Ezgjan Alioski (82) 10) Jota (82) 36 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: 100% correct But you're being trolled by someone in this thread who will see these stats and argue against them and try to make out they're irrelevant but his hate of Bannan and Reach is right 3 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: Barry Bannan takes 99% of our set pieces. By that default alone he should be in the top 10. The fact that he is nowhere near the top ten in assists only goes to prove his key passes aren’t good enough. Our strikers and former strikers have better goal scoring records at their other teams. Case dismissed. See what I mean? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: See what I mean? Yeah. Apparently he doesn't get enough assists. More assists than Sheridan, Waddle, Brunt, Wallace and any other play we've had in the last 30 years since David Hirst, but its not enough for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, Emerson Thome said: Yeah. Apparently he doesn't get enough assists. More assists than Sheridan, Waddle, Brunt, Wallace and any other play we've had in the last 30 years since David Hirst, but its not enough for some. That's why I don't engage with him He just waits for you to prove conclusive evidence and then posts 'nah he's rubbish' Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 43 minutes ago, SiJ said: And Izzy Brown is combative? My Nannan is more combative than Reach and she’s no longer with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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