Emilianenko Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Brentford made a bid for Bannan, besides which I never said he was one of the Championships deadliest creators. Rhodes will be a free agent soon, lets see where he ends up. Premier League Norwich wanted Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Just now, Emilianenko said: Premier League Norwich wanted Rhodes 2 seasons ago. They had Premier League money but still didn't see it through at a time when Covid wasn't a factor. Do you think Rhodes is still a top class striker at this level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: 2 seasons ago. They had Premier League money but still didn't see it through at a time when Covid wasn't a factor. Do you think Rhodes is still a top class striker at this level? Yes I do but this is not about Rhodes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew6666 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Buxtongent said: Without disparaging either player, don't forget the old saying - There are Liars, Bloody Liars, and Statisticians. The only true stats are - P - W - L - D - GF - GA - G Diff - Points. Exactly, I'm baffled as to how he is anywhere near the top. Who are these 'key' passes too??? Edited February 26, 2021 by Andrew6666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Having played and watched football. Do you really think players decide among themselves who's taking a free-kick, corner or penalty with no input from the manager? When you watch other teams get free kicks , they have 2 or 3 players debating with different outcomes. We have debates and the outcome is normally the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otley Owl Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 6 hours ago, peggyowl said: key passes what a load of codswallop. I'm sorry Bannan in ineffectual. He passes backwards and side ways more than forwards. He isn't the solution to our problem. yes he needs the players around him but he has been the problem for a lomng time. His delivery from set pieces is shocking. Corners awful and his goal return for a midfielder is pants. 13:51 onwards. Bannan assist? No, Reach. What actually makes the goal? Bannan - reading of the game, quality, skill, vision. He does this all over the pitch, opening up the early stages of chances we create. It has nothing to do with assists. I really struggle with people not getting Bannan, I get opinions, but he's literally the only player we have that I genuinely enjoy watching. He'd be class at Brentford, will never really get why he didn't push for that move. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensible Soccer Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 We are lucky to have a player of his quality. He is surrounded by rubbish. Feels a bit like before being left... with the mob brandishing him lazy and ineffective... he did pretty well after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 hours ago, hugeowl said: Another myth is that his delivery from free kicks and corners is no good, Just because we don’t have the players to finish the chances doesn’t mean they are bad balls If only that man in the other kit didn't stand where he did and kept heading the ball away from Bannans corners. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Same guy trolling this thread that trolls the Reach threads Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 He makes a lot of valid points though Neil ....... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toooldforthis Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I don’t think any owls fan would blame Bannan for where we are now. I don’t think any owls fan would blame any of the players for where we are now. But there’s only one stat that matters and nothing else...League tables don’t lie. The club doesn’t have the right players for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Ronnie Starling said: If only that man in the other kit didn't stand where he did and kept heading the ball away from Bannans corners. Who was the last midfielder we had who you rated. You used to slag Lee off for being average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Fully expecting a MOM match winning performance today from our captain fantastic... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Roscoe P. Coltrane said: Fully expecting a MOM match winning performance today from our captain fantastic... A broken watch is right twice a day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedee Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, toooldforthis said: I don’t think any owls fan would blame Bannan for where we are now. I don’t think any owls fan would blame any of the players for where we are now. But there’s only one stat that matters and nothing else...League tables don’t lie. The club doesn’t have the right players for this league. Your right our squad is poor for this level. But if Banann was the worst player in the squad then we would be a competitive 2nd tier outfit. I think Barry is probably a season or 2 past his best but he is still a decent second division player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Bannan is a very gifted footballer. Anyone who disputes that needs their head examining. However, given what is around him right now, I'm not sure how effective he really is. The stats will say otherwise, but I've seen enough of us this season to suggest that's a fair assessment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Emilianenko said: Maybe everyone is looking at it the wrong way. We have one of the Championships deadliest finishers, players we have and have had as strikers tend to do better at other teams. Maybe the supply is just not good enough? Maybe it’s not the strikers who aren’t good enough but the creative players? Ignoring the separate discussion about the standard of our forwards, there's little doubt that our creative players aren't good enough. But quite why anyone would criticise the one player who does actually manage to create opportunities for his teammates with any degree of consistency, I'm not sure. In the past two and a half seasons, Bannan is responsible for 32% of our assists and 31% our key passes. If we had other creative players chipping in and sharing the load as we did when Wallace, Lee, Hooper, and Forestieri were playing alongside him, then we'd be in a better position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 18 hours ago, 83owl said: I know there’s different theories on if Bannan is being told to play the “deep lying playmaker” role or if he is simply doing it himself but he needs to be further forward. We aren’t scoring goals, especially not from open play and one of the reasons is that we can’t sustain any pressure on our opponents. Bannan is the best player we have at taking the ball under pressure, he’s the one player we want on the ball 30-40 yards out from their goal instead of ours. Until we can start getting him on the ball in these positions it’s going to be more of the same pointless hoofs upfront to a non existent target man. Precisely this. I can’t think of any other team that has a tactic of using the player with the best range of passing as a deep lying quarterback. Playing deep, 99% of Bannan’s passes don’t trouble the opposition or disrupt their team shape. He’s simply recycling the ball. If he’s not affecting the game in the final third he becomes a liability because he literally can’t do anything else. Play him in an advanced attacking role or play someone else with more energy, pace and physicality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 13 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said: Seriously? You think they do no work in training on set pieces and the manager has no say whatsoever on the set piece taker every game, even if they continually come to nothing? Our stats for goals from set pieces aren't dramatically worse than every other team in the division even though we have no goal scoring defenders of note and no great height in our midfield or attack to aim for. I dare say we don't win as many corners as many others either due to our lack of attacking threat. Others have taken set pieces recently., I can think of a couple from Harris, one which went out for a throw and one which went out over the bar for a goal kick. It's not like others are continually scoring from corners against us and we probably concede more corners than we win. Its a tired and lazy observation. So what you're saying is that its Thompson's fault rather than Barry's that our corners are crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 15 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said: That's because he only ever attempts a 5-yard pass - to Bannan. Bannan's key passes and pass completion rate would be even higher if he actually had someone worth passing to in front of him. Sometimes he has, when Reach is wide left, not when he is lost wandering around right of centre. So you’re suggesting that Bannan chooses not to pass forwards because there’s no one worth passing to? You really believe this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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