owlsruleok Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Why oh why do we set up our formation to counteract the opposition. Why not let them set up to counter ours. Game after game there’s no pattern of play apart from humping the ball upfield, I realise we are not Barcelona but at least we could try to play a nice type of football because this system isn’t working. Chey Dunkley IMO is a huge problem, he has no talent and this has been obvious most times he has played. I know he will have a few fans but Paterson is not the answer up front, we should stick with Rhodes ( yes some of you don’t like him ). It’s ok stating we need heart and the will to fight but we also require skill and that is very sadly lacking. Stick with Kachunga, Alex Hunt, Andre Green, Urhoghide plus Dom Iorfa (when fit) and bring back Izzy Brown then keep a settled team. Some of you may say negative comments about this but FFS look where we are in the table and I am sure they will not be any worse than what we have had to put up with this frigging season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Agree we seem to have gone back to worrying what the opposition do, instead of working on what we can do, Saturday perfectly highlighting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The BBC reporter on Saturday said that both teams were scared of losing, that is our problem, we cant be afraid of losing anymore because it means we do lose. We need to start going for it, if we lose at least we will go down with some fight instead, of going down with a whimper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The same(ish) players from Saturday are also responsible for improving our home form. We do need more style in our play though. Problem is, when we have an off day - it really does look pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinator Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Rhodes has to start every game. We have no choice, I dont understand why he got dropped again. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gob_Bluth Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Set up not to lose and you're going to lose. I'd rather we went down having a proper go and losing every game 4-3 than setting up dourly and defensively and losing 1-0 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I haven't got a problem with it when we are playing an obviously superior outfit But Birmingham ain't one Neither were Rotherham,Wycombe away and a few others Irvine used to do it,Jo's did it...etc Its timid and ultimately loses points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Keegan should have followed Big Ron We'd be in Europe right now if that had happened Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Here's how I see it Managers at Sheffield Wednesday who play defensively lose games and get sacked Managers who start off attacking and do well, but then change strategy and play more defensively end up losing games and getting sacked Managers who play offensively, with attacking football and who continue to do so are the ones and the only ones who are ever successful When we go for it we win games and succeed When we don't and we over complicate it and start thinking tactically about the other side, shutting up shop, hoping for goals on the break, we lose games It's pure simple facts Also - football players don't fall in love with the game by wanting to play defensive football where you defend for 90 minutes and hope to get a lucky break - therefore when they're asked to play like that they don't enjoy it, don't flourish and don't play as well as they could I also think that fans who say things like 'we haven't got the players to do it' or 'we'd get hammered if we tried that' are simply overcomplicating their thinking about football. No matter what current hype or spin there is about football being a complex game, and all these different tactics, styles, approaches are needed are just that - fads That's my opinion More than happy to be proven wrong 7 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Here's how I see it Managers at Sheffield Wednesday who play defensively lose games and get sacked Managers who start off attacking and do well, but then change strategy and play more defensively end up losing games and getting sacked Managers who play offensively, with attacking football and who continue to do so are the ones and the only ones who are ever successful When we go for it we win games and succeed When we don't and we over complicate it and start thinking tactically about the other side, shutting up shop, hoping for goals on the break, we lose games It's pure simple facts Also - football players don't fall in love with the game by wanting to play defensive football where you defend for 90 minutes and hope to get a lucky break - therefore when they're asked to play like that they don't enjoy it, don't flourish and don't play as well as they could I also think that fans who say things like 'we haven't got the players to do it' or 'we'd get hammered if we tried that' are simply overcomplicating their thinking about football. No matter what current hype or spin there is about football being a complex game, and all these different tactics, styles, approaches are needed are just that - fads That's my opinion More than happy to be proven wrong Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gob_Bluth Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Here's how I see it Managers at Sheffield Wednesday who play defensively lose games and get sacked Managers who start off attacking and do well, but then change strategy and play more defensively end up losing games and getting sacked Managers who play offensively, with attacking football and who continue to do so are the ones and the only ones who are ever successful When we go for it we win games and succeed When we don't and we over complicate it and start thinking tactically about the other side, shutting up shop, hoping for goals on the break, we lose games It's pure simple facts Also - football players don't fall in love with the game by wanting to play defensive football where you defend for 90 minutes and hope to get a lucky break - therefore when they're asked to play like that they don't enjoy it, don't flourish and don't play as well as they could I also think that fans who say things like 'we haven't got the players to do it' or 'we'd get hammered if we tried that' are simply overcomplicating their thinking about football. No matter what current hype or spin there is about football being a complex game, and all these different tactics, styles, approaches are needed are just that - fads That's my opinion More than happy to be proven wrong Totally agree. It's why guys like Mourinho always have a limited shelf life at clubs, players just switch off and can't go through the attritional stuff anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Here's how I see it Managers at Sheffield Wednesday who play defensively lose games and get sacked Managers who start off attacking and do well, but then change strategy and play more defensively end up losing games and getting sacked Managers who play offensively, with attacking football and who continue to do so are the ones and the only ones who are ever successful When we go for it we win games and succeed When we don't and we over complicate it and start thinking tactically about the other side, shutting up shop, hoping for goals on the break, we lose games It's pure simple facts Also - football players don't fall in love with the game by wanting to play defensive football where you defend for 90 minutes and hope to get a lucky break - therefore when they're asked to play like that they don't enjoy it, don't flourish and don't play as well as they could I also think that fans who say things like 'we haven't got the players to do it' or 'we'd get hammered if we tried that' are simply overcomplicating their thinking about football. No matter what current hype or spin there is about football being a complex game, and all these different tactics, styles, approaches are needed are just that - fads That's my opinion More than happy to be proven wrong Couldn’t agree more. Three managers in my memory played attacking football come what may. Catterick, Wilkinson and Big Ron. Yes they had runs of poor results at times but didn’t change. They all won promotions that resulted in us more than holding our own in the top division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Keegan should have followed Big Ron We'd be in Europe right now if that had happened Id still have him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Grandad said: Id still have him now Up front 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Just now, @owlstalk said: Up front Him AND Souness (obvs not Souness up front) Edited February 22, 2021 by Grandad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Stick with Kachunga? Not sure about that, he offers next to nothing as so many of our attacking players do. As for Green he is just another stupid signing that will probably spend most of his time injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlstastic Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The selection, formation and 'style' on Saturday was a disaster. We have two decent wingers. Play them on the correct side and cross into Rhodes plus Paterson or Kachunga - simple but can be effective. If it doesn't work, fair enough - but at least we get relegated trying to be positive. I'd rather go down playing like that than have to endure the aimless hoofball we saw against Birmingham. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Rhodes should start every game from now until the end of the season. One of the only players that actually looks bothered, especially up top. Was stupid from Thompson to drop him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Owlstastic said: The selection, formation and 'style' on Saturday was a disaster. We have two decent wingers. Play them on the correct side and cross into Rhodes plus Paterson or Kachunga - simple but can be effective. If it doesn't work, fair enough - but at least we get relegated trying to be positive. I'd rather go down playing like that than have to endure the aimless hoofball we saw against Birmingham. The Birmingham games was a mixture of hooooofffffball and header tennis in the centre circle I pulled out my eyebrows in rage at it 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbyStyle Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Here's how I see it Managers at Sheffield Wednesday who play defensively lose games and get sacked Managers who start off attacking and do well, but then change strategy and play more defensively end up losing games and getting sacked Managers who play offensively, with attacking football and who continue to do so are the ones and the only ones who are ever successful When we go for it we win games and succeed When we don't and we over complicate it and start thinking tactically about the other side, shutting up shop, hoping for goals on the break, we lose games It's pure simple facts Also - football players don't fall in love with the game by wanting to play defensive football where you defend for 90 minutes and hope to get a lucky break - therefore when they're asked to play like that they don't enjoy it, don't flourish and don't play as well as they could I also think that fans who say things like 'we haven't got the players to do it' or 'we'd get hammered if we tried that' are simply overcomplicating their thinking about football. No matter what current hype or spin there is about football being a complex game, and all these different tactics, styles, approaches are needed are just that - fads That's my opinion More than happy to be proven wrong I hate it when Managers/coaches even players say in pre match pressers things like “we’ve watched their videos so we know how they set up” Play to your strengths, try to win a game don’t over analyse it. It is “tactical fads” I’ve been into football since I left nursery in the early 70’s. I have no idea what a “false No9” is and I’m not bothered about finding out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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