malek Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: I might stand alone. I still like the fact he's one of those that looks to get in behind. I wouldn't break up Rhodes and Paterson to put him in, and still think they will prove our best chance of survival if we work the ball out wide quickly and with accuracy to Reach and the much improved Harris. (Last match we just didn't do it) But there are times when you have to use a different implement to skin the cat. The defence splitting slide-rule pass to the man playing on the shoulder should never be overlooked. Not sure if I agree. Windass to bit of pace about him, but he comes alive with ball at his feet, and less he sees it he looks less confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: When Josh Windass was playing up front I was saying (not from a negative view) that once we had other options or a striker, that Josh Windass would find himself out of the side completely simply because he just doesn't fit anywhere He's most certainly not a striker. He's not prolific enough, his shots are erratic and wild. He's not a winger - nothing like We don't play with a number 10 and if we do it's Paterson in that role He can't play midfield I know I was mocked at the time for saying it but look at the moment - there's just no way he fits in, no justification for playing him over Paterson and Rhodes. He's out in the cold as I fully expected He's not as convincing as some fans will tell you I don't see a way back for Josh Windass into the side No but he added some pace up front and looked like he could make things happen at a time when none of the forwards were convincing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, malek said: Not sure if I agree. Windass to bit of pace about him, but he comes alive with ball at his feet, and less he sees it he looks less confident. I'm not suggesting we start shelling the ball 70 yards over the top though. I'm on about a little pass slipped between the defenders a yard in front of the striker to get on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Really don’t think so. Have you seen how often he wastes passes? His pass success rate is 76%, which is one of the very best in our squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbleowl Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Windass is just another example of a haphazard approach to recruitment. To be successful at any level you decide how you want your team to play and then sign players to fit that system, our way seems to be sign someone who's available and then see if they fit, if not they are sidelined until the end of their contract or released on a free. This is no way to be successful in today's football and will only result in failure 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorturner Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, FreshOwl said: It’s a strange one. He’s clearly a decent footballer, but as you said doesn’t fit in tactically to what we’re doing. A flurry of goals would get him back in the team, but again, how likely is that to happen. Even Kachunga seems preferred to him at the moment and that’s crazy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooogs Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, bubbleowl said: Windass is just another example of a haphazard approach to recruitment. To be successful at any level you decide how you want your team to play and then sign players to fit that system, our way seems to be sign someone who's available and then see if they fit, if not they are sidelined until the end of their contract or released on a free. This is no way to be successful in today's football and will only result in failure I know this is going to set off the "DON'T TALK ABOUT FOOTBALLING IDENTITY" klaxon but DC's habit of signing managers with differing football phiosophies means that there's a much higher risk of a new manager's tactics/formation not fitting the players available. The whole point of a club having a medium-long-term footballing philosophy is to hire successive managers (if needed) who can easily utilise the players available - and having a DoF to ensure that signings make sense and won't be discarded as 'not fitting our shape' six months later. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dooogs said: I know this is going to set off the "DON'T TALK ABOUT FOOTBALLING IDENTITY" klaxon but DC's habit of signing managers with differing football phiosophies means that there's a much higher risk of a new manager's tactics/formation not fitting the players available. The whole point of a club having a medium-long-term footballing philosophy is to hire successive managers (if needed) who can easily utilise the players available - and having a DoF to ensure that signings make sense and won't be discarded as 'not fitting our shape' six months later. True, though DC wanted to go down that route, explicitly to avoid those problems All comes down to poor advice I’m afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRGRIM Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Windass playing up top along side Patterson. Our team needs all the pace it can get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: When Josh Windass was playing up front I was saying (not from a negative view) that once we had other options or a striker, that Josh Windass would find himself out of the side completely simply because he just doesn't fit anywhere He's most certainly not a striker. He's not prolific enough, his shots are erratic and wild. He's not a winger - nothing like We don't play with a number 10 and if we do it's Paterson in that role He can't play midfield I know I was mocked at the time for saying it but look at the moment - there's just no way he fits in, no justification for playing him over Paterson and Rhodes. He's out in the cold as I fully expected He's not as convincing as some fans will tell you I don't see a way back for Josh Windass into the side Totally agree, no way is he championship standard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinowl Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Is like to see him up top with JR running the channels. He’s a fit lad and can be an out ball. Was crying out for someone like him (not kachunga) to run against Stoke but instead we just reverted to type and kept pinging it down the big Stoke lads throats. I don’t rate kachunga at all but windass has something. Clearly NT sees it the other way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 He's hard working, has good energy and desire, but I don't think I've ever seen so many attacks break down due to a failure to control the ball or more usually a failure to pass to a fellow teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I like Windass. I prefer him to Rhodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: His pass success rate is 76%, which is one of the very best in our squad. Thanks. I’m surprised. I saw him waste really good possession on those rare occasions we got into dangerous territory earlier in the season. His use of the ball always seems a greedy improbable shot or an aimless or lazy pass. However, we are where we are, and he’s the third least terrible option we have. I hope we play most of the rest of the season with Rhodes-Paterson up front, with Windass as next choice, with Kachunga in emergencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, heppers said: I like Windass. I prefer him to Rhodes. In a side which desperately relies on its strikers for goals.... Windass 3 goals 1551 minutes Rhodes 3 goals 583 minutes It doesn’t matter what they do in addition (though I would argue we look a better team when Rhodes plays and our results agree) we cannot afford Windass to be a regular pick up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, Holmowl said: Thanks. I’m surprised. I saw him waste really good possession on those rare occasions we got into dangerous territory earlier in the season. His use of the ball always seems a greedy improbable shot or an aimless or lazy pass. However, we are where we are, and he’s the third least terrible option we have. I hope we play most of the rest of the season with Rhodes-Paterson up front, with Windass as next choice, with Kachunga in emergencies. If we're going to persist with our recent style of launching crosses into the box, then it makes sense to stick with Paterson and Rhodes. They've hardly struck up a partnership, but they're each capable of getting on the end of quality deliveries when we're capable of producing them. However, if we struggle for decent possession down the flanks, or come up against a defence who dominate them in the air as we did against Stoke, then their lack of pace allows the opposition to push further forward with very little to worry about in behind, which is where Windass can come in handy. But then Thompson seems to prefer Kachunga, so I doubt he'll get much of a look-in under him if that's the case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, MRGRIM said: Windass playing up top along side Patterson. Our team needs all the pace it can get. No it doesnt need pace. It needs goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 5 hours ago, @owlstalk said: When Josh Windass was playing up front I was saying (not from a negative view) that once we had other options or a striker, that Josh Windass would find himself out of the side completely simply because he just doesn't fit anywhere He's most certainly not a striker. He's not prolific enough, his shots are erratic and wild. He's not a winger - nothing like We don't play with a number 10 and if we do it's Paterson in that role He can't play midfield I know I was mocked at the time for saying it but look at the moment - there's just no way he fits in, no justification for playing him over Paterson and Rhodes. He's out in the cold as I fully expected He's not as convincing as some fans will tell you I don't see a way back for Josh Windass into the side He’ll play this weekend now no doubt. Prepare a bath just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Holmowl said: Really don’t think so. Have you seen how often he wastes passes? Most of the team waste passes. Our passing is shocking! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Tell you who I was never convinced about. Andy Pearce. Absolute Sunday morning parks player. Nicked a goal or two and became a cult hero with the 10 pints and a line set. Remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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