Why are barnsley better than us?

[Mister Soul]

On 14/02/2021 at 19:36, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Take away our points deduction and you have the answer that they're not really - not that much

Relax

One day we'll have a different chairman and then we can be as big/good as Barnsley / Leeds United / Sheffield United again x

*runs off*

An awful lot changed in a month didn’t it ? 

[parkfieldowl14]

On 07/03/2021 at 00:35, WalthamOwl said:

Painful seeing how well they are doing while we are sleep walking in to league one. Sickening. 

Not just league 1,There's a real possibility of struggling to stay even in L1 next season thanks to clowns like DC and Paxo who have really shafted the club.

[S36 OWL]

Even without the points deduction we would be 27 pts behind Barnsley. 

 

Good luck to em. 

[bladeshater]

8 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

Even without the points deduction we would be 27 pts behind Barnsley. 

 

Good luck to em. 

I echo that they doing things right

[Manwë]

Other teams showing us time after time that you don't need to throw money away to be in the right places.

 

You don't need to price fans out to build a team.

 

Our problem is that we think money solves everything.  Nothing will beat having the right employees implementing the right plan.  

[parkfieldowl14]

i seem to remember that just after Barnsley were bought out,that that were some disappointment from Barnsley Fans that they were expected to go on a mass spending spree but the owners said no to that,and by the look of things they have the right decision.DC please take note.

[Belfast Owl 2]

Its another historically smaller club currently ahead of us.

 

We are falling way behind and I see no plans to fix this.

[kikka]

Why ???

 

Well, they don't have an owner who believes everything his 'trusted advisor'  whispers in his ear ...consequently they don't have a poorly mixed team with a high proportion of aging, injury prone  individuals who, in conjunction with their agent,  are simply seeking a series of paydays at the expense of the owner, the club  and its fans.

 

Instead they have a clear view of where they want to be and seem to have engaged the type of players they need in order to achieve that. Furthermore they appear to have a clear and a collective view of how the club needs to change in order to acheive their aims - rather than continually stating an aim that bears no obvious relation to the actions they are taking. 

 

More than anything else they seem to have direction , belief and a strategy to move forward which is clear to all.  

[parkfieldowl14]

8 minutes ago, kikka said:

Why ???

 

Well, they don't have an owner who believes everything his 'trusted advisor'  whispers in his ear ...consequently they don't have a poorly mixed team with a high proportion of aging, injury prone  individuals who, in conjunction with their agent,  are simply seeking a series of paydays at the expense of the owner, the club  and its fans.

 

Instead they have a clear view of where they want to be and seem to have engaged the type of players they need in order to achieve that. Furthermore they appear to have a clear and a collective view of how the club needs to change in order to acheive their aims - rather than continually stating an aim that bears no obvious relation to the actions they are taking. 

 

More than anything else they seem to have direction , belief and a strategy to move forward which is clear to all.  

And they could well be rewarded at the end of the season by getting in the play-offs or better.Compare that with the abosolute shambles  at S6 under DC and Paxo.And these's people like MTPO still thinks that DC has been fantastic.

[Django]

Anyone who thinks Barnsley’s players are better than ours doesn’t know football

[Guest Hornsby]

Maybe I'm simple but why not imitate Barnsley and Brentford?

 

Start by recruiting one of their Assistant Stat man who will be frustrated by now and looking for a job promotion.

 

And give him all tools for job , not  Amstrad that's currently processing refunds.  Apparently. 

[Philb125]

On 14/03/2021 at 12:35, Manwë said:

Other teams showing us time after time that you don't need to throw money away to be in the right places.

 

You don't need to price fans out to build a team.

 

Our problem is that we think money solves everything.  Nothing will beat having the right employees implementing the right plan.  

And yet we cheer the decision to recontract the likes of Bannan on what I assume is 15-20k per week. 
 

We really do overpay, under deliver and get far from value from money from our ‘stars’. Mowatt reportedly earns a quarter of what Bannan does whilst contributing twice as much. I was really hoping we’d go to a clean slate with far more sensible approach to salaries, player ages, etc. But I’m afraid it’s more of the same but older and lesser quality this time round.

[DlNGLE]

42 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Maybe I'm simple but why not imitate Barnsley and Brentford?

 

Start by recruiting one of their Assistant Stat man who will be frustrated by now and looking for a job promotion.

 

And give him all tools for job , not  Amstrad that's currently processing refunds.  Apparently. 

He went to PNE last week 

[CircleSeven]

Wednesdayite, reads all of the ‘I wish we were as good as Barnsley’ posts. Lays down. Cries in blue and white. 

[daveyboy66]

On 14/03/2021 at 11:51, kikka said:

injury prone  individuals who, in conjunction with their agent

Do you honestly think that this rag bag set of injured and free transfer players are on Paxo's books ? 

[Tollertonowl]

On 14/03/2021 at 09:48, parkfieldowl14 said:

Not just league 1,There's a real possibility of struggling to stay even in L1 next season thanks to clowns like DC and Paxo who have really shafted the club.

When we turning out the results I had hope/ belief we’d stay up, but in reality we’ve for many reasons (most our expectations) still retained the same team that failed promotion... So I think now that L1 and a hopeful bounce back (within a few years) is the only option to clear the decks and build... Maybe the failure to sell players when we should’ve is (with hindsight) what’s cost at the moment...

[parkfieldowl14]

1 minute ago, Tollertonowl said:

When we turning out the results I had hope/ belief we’d stay up, but in reality we’ve for many reasons (most our expectations) still retained the same team that failed promotion... So I think now that L1 and a hopeful bounce back (within a few years) is the only option to clear the decks and build... Maybe the failure to sell players when we should’ve is (with hindsight) what’s cost at the moment...

Absolutely spot on there.As for bouncing back,It will take at least 2 to 4 Seasons before things start to settle down again.Personally, I don't expect ourselves to be one of favourites in L1 next season.Mid table is proberly the best we can hope for, and i just pray that DC lets DM gets on with the job of rebuilding the team.

[Tollertonowl]

12 minutes ago, parkfieldowl14 said:

Absolutely spot on there.As for bouncing back,It will take at least 2 to 4 Seasons before things start to settle down again.Personally, I don't expect ourselves to be one of favourites in L1 next season.Mid table is proberly the best we can hope for, and i just pray that DC lets DM gets on with the job of rebuilding the team.

L1 is a tough league to get out of as it’s completely different to the championship in terms of standard of football, which again (the Championship) is completely different to the Premiership...  I fear that we could be down there for some time whilst rebuilding a team and then after promotion from L1 suffering again for years to build a promotion team to the premiership... Even then we’d be lucky to last more than a year in the premiership, as has been the rule... 

[StudentOwl]

On 15/02/2021 at 20:36, Beighton Owl 87 said:

Your 11 points clear of us. We're in the best form we've been in all season and you reckon you will gain an extra 14 points then us over the remainder of this season?

 

Deluded 

Look, I'm not going to kick a guy when he's down, but I'm not gonna lie, this post one month on? It hasn't aged well

 

 

[Zarostulus]

Honest assessment from a Barnsley fan. Most of us (some were a bit brighter than me) went from optimism over a new board in 2017 with 'billions of pounds', to disappointment and resentment because they sleepwalked us into League 1 football, then to elation because we came back to the Champ at first time of asking, and finally to anger at the sale of the spine of that team last year. 

 

We were fortunate to escape relegation last season. It took two 90+ minute winners in our last two games and a Wigan points deduction to keep us up (although to be fair they spent over their means, which means cheated, so that's their fault). The hype over such an escape masked the perceived, and I mean perceived - not concrete, failings of the board for many, but there were still misgivings in many quarters over the loss of the spine of our L1 auto-promotion team ( E Pinnock, A Davies, L Lindsay, K Moore). 

 

Our board have been vindicated this season. At the start of the season, most of us would have bitten your hand off for 4th bottom. We're currently 6th with 10 games to go. If this team had gone down last season, I have no doubt we'd be many points ahead in 1st place in L1 now ready to build for a good Championship campaign next year. 

 

The first and most important thing our new owners did was take a realistic snapshot of who we are as a club, the potential fanbase that can be tapped into, and therefore a realistic annual turnover if managed correctly. Investment is only put into the club if it guarantees a return for the club - for example with talk of purchasing Oakwell from the council to redevelop our 100 year old West Stand to modernise our press facilities, west stand bogs, crowd safety, and future potential. The club is run essentially as though we still have local owners without tonnes of cash; our transfers are paid for through player sales and our wage bill is closely tied to our annual income. Our highest paid player reportedly gets £8k/week, as opposed to £40k+/week elsewhere in the division. Our transfer record remains Mike Sheron in 1998 at £1.5m. We don't like paying over 500k for a player if we can help it - there are exceptions but not by much.

 

The primary goal at Oakwell is self-sustainability, and our investors respect this and trust their data-driven methods to eventually improve the club's profitability and turn a profit legitimately. There are no millions flowing in, no fake taxi firms, no ego-centric sponsorship deals. Our owners have mostly managed their PR well, improved facilities where easy to do so, and brought experience in scouting and mathematics to improve the on-pitch experience. Some of the PR stuff has been easy and helped to improve the club's image and therefore average attendance - things like providing free sanitary products in the ladies' loos, free merchandise at away games, free pints and pies on occasion - etc etc. They've previously engaged well with our fan groups too. 

 

The play-offs are a bit of a lottery, and that looks like where we're heading, so there's a 75% chance we won't go up this season. But with this board, we know that if we don't go all the way the club is safe and we'll have another crack at it next year without worrying about the cost of our 'big push'. We'll have gained valuable experience and might make a huge profit on one or two of our star players, which will go straight back into the playing squad. 

 

Ultimately we have a long-term vision based on sense, experience, and maths. We buy low, sell high. We negate our smaller attendances in the division by making money through our players, who are paid more modestly because they're young and haven't experienced this level of football before. And we have a board who have a great knack for picking up a superb head coach out of nowhere.