bradowl Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Every club must be losing vast amounts of money at moment, thousands if not millions. It doesn't make sense for EFL to be picking on any club right now, I'm surprised a club hasn't gone under during this season. If fans can't return by start of next season it might be pointless starting it outside Premier League. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Many clubs will be looking to form a new league if they punish clubs when bugger all income coming in. They will find themselves out of business, they are not fit for purpose as it stands, just imagine a foreign company taking over the English league, oh the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: It's all such an interwoven web of rules and people isn't it I wasn't aware the PFA had decided to get the pay cap scrapped which means we go back to FFP That's a talking point in itself I think the PFA and the EFL both know that the current FFP/P&S rules are unworkable in these two seasons where every club without parachute payments will make losses. Clubs are faced with the double whammy of reduced gate receipts and paying back season ticket monies. Seems to me most clubs will fall foul of the rules if EFL apply them to the letter. Could get rather messy if once they start down that road more and more clubs come under scrutiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 That article suggests to me that the EFL are going after Stoke and Reading next. Stoke's parachute payments have finished and they have something like 12 players on £50k+ per week, so they will probably be next for the old points deduction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinaus Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, bradowl said: Every club must be losing vast amounts of money at moment, thousands if not millions. It doesn't make sense for EFL to be picking on any club right now, I'm surprised a club hasn't gone under during this season. If fans can't return by start of next season it might be pointless starting it outside Premier League. I agree, I think more sad news will be on the cards before the end of this season, hopefully nothing concerning us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dani_armo Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 We have an owner like him or not who is paying the players out of his own money really, what are clubs supposed to do when there’s no income Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 The EFL are forcing clubs to play on behind closed doors with no income ... How on gods earth would they be able to justify any points deductions for not paying players on time ? What do they expect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Minton said: That article suggests to me that the EFL are going after Stoke and Reading next. Stoke's parachute payments have finished and they have something like 12 players on £50k+ per week, so they will probably be next for the old points deduction. Yeah, they might find the Coates family dispute any charges extremely vigorously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Hitcat said: If the EFL start docking points during the pandemic, I'll think it'll be the end of them. The EFL is the clubs broadly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, rickygoo said: The EFL is the clubs broadly. Yeah exactly The EFL isn't some totally seperate entity It IS the clubs Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, rickygoo said: The EFL is the clubs broadly. The clubs hold all the power then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Yeah exactly The EFL isn't some totally seperate entity It IS the clubs It is in the sense that the clubs agreed to the rules in place but nobody envisaged a global pandemic that would cut off the main source of income for over a year. If the EFL start taking sanctions for financial issues that have occurred during this time then they are likely to face a backlash from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack of Clubs Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 In the current climate they should be supporting clubs not punishing them. It’s not like anyone is taking the p*so and going out spending millions, it’s just due to the lack of money coming in which is a Covid thing . For once EFL, be sensible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Interesting read. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9257771/amp/A-year-hell-Mel-Morris-reveals-major-health-problems-sell-Derby-200m-loss.html?__twitter_impression=true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, rickygoo said: The EFL is the clubs broadly. Can't believe it took so long for this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 17 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said: Apologies if already discussed, just seen a post on twitter from Nick De Marco, the guy who represented us in the P&S breach case. I know the fact we have been late with wages has been mentioned in relation to possible points deductions on here before but this is the first time I have seen it mentioned specifically in the press. Excerpt if from the Daily Mail, note it says 'if' sanctions are brought rather than suggesting they will be. The article references Macclesfield being deducted points but I think their circumstances were somewhat different to ours. The piece above it also suggests others on the brink of trouble regarding the financial rules in the Championship. I'd be shocked if the EFL took further action and deducted more points from us this season given how they messed it up last time around and it isn't as if our payments are not being made eventually. The recent scrapping of the salary caps has also done them no favours either, can't see them being keen on pursuing this right now. The article also says we won our case against the EFL. How come we had a points deduction then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 18 hours ago, bradowl said: Every club must be losing vast amounts of money at moment, thousands if not millions. It doesn't make sense for EFL to be picking on any club right now, I'm surprised a club hasn't gone under during this season. If fans can't return by start of next season it might be pointless starting it outside Premier League. 16 hours ago, owlinaus said: I agree, I think more sad news will be on the cards before the end of this season, hopefully nothing concerning us... Well it isn't an EFL club but National League Dover Athletic have just announced that they have furloughed all there staff, sent all loan players back to there clubs and have said they have completely run out of money and won't be able to play anymore fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinaus Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, bradowl said: Well it isn't an EFL club but National League Dover Athletic have just announced that they have furloughed all there staff, sent all loan players back to there clubs and have said they have completely run out of money and won't be able to play anymore fixtures. Hopefully someone will come to their rescue, but look at Bury....not good news all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 7 hours ago, bradowl said: Well it isn't an EFL club but National League Dover Athletic have just announced that they have furloughed all there staff, sent all loan players back to there clubs and have said they have completely run out of money and won't be able to play anymore fixtures. Which is a real shame...it's club that I have watched numerous times when I was down in Dover visiting family...a great little ground and club in a great area. Sad to think it's going under 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 About time they formed a Premier League II, all these issues have sprung from carrying on last season and will continue to arise. The lower tiers can't survive without income. We'll forever be playing catch up each season, all cos Sky, the big clubs and a few teams at the top of their League's wanted to finish last season. All the leagues should have ended as they were last season, giving clubs more time to prepare or delay this season, instead of condensing the season and playing without fans. The game is rotten to the core and broken. Many clubs will go to the wall, the way things are going, whilst the top clubs continue getting richer. Sanctioning any clubs during a pandemic, whilst there's no fans at games, is harsh and obscene. Considering the loss of income and the failure payment handouts, distorting any sense of fairness. There's no common sense in the game, just pure greed, selfishness and delusion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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