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Just now, FreshOwl said:

There was an interesting discussion on BT Sport the other night about strikers who score 1 in 3 or 1 in 2, but offer nothing else to the team aside from occasionally scoring, and how that type of striker is becoming extinct.

 

 

They're only becoming extinct because managers are over complicating things and copying each other so it's the latest fad


In reality what will happen is this fad will die out and then guess what?

It'll become fashionable to have two strikers up front scoring one in three again

 

And I tell you this now for free - if we had two strikers scoring 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 this season all season we'd not just be safe we'd be promoted


But yeah we just have to sit this current fad out

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1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

They're only becoming extinct because managers are over complicating things and copying each other so it's the latest fad


In reality what will happen is this fad will die out and then guess what?

It'll become fashionable to have two strikers up front scoring one in three again

 

And I tell you this now for free - if we had two strikers scoring 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 this season all season we'd not just be safe we'd be promoted


But yeah we just have to sit this current fad out


Agreed. 
 

Playing two up top allows one to drop deep and operate as a false 9 

 

The other can manoeuvre around the penalty box (that player being Rhodes)

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3 hours ago, Grandad said:

Exactly

 

Rhodes has not been the problem

 

We've paid £10m for an asset and not utilised it for 4 years. A criminal waste

 

3 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Yep


Just needs service


But not the hoof up front to target man to hold it up type service


And not a cross coming in after the winger has dallied about with it until all the defenders are back type service


Good old fashioned 80's style early cross whipped in style service where the ball gets delivered before the defence gets back, and where the ball drops in front of the striker and behind the defender

 

 

£10m for a player who needs it serving up on a plate to be effective and for the football to be played in the style of a bygone era seems excessive though. 

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Just now, 0742 said:

 

 

£10m for a player who needs it serving up on a plate to be effective  



Now let's say that's correct


Imagine spending ten million pounds and then not serving it up on a plate for him

 

lol

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

There was an interesting discussion on BT Sport the other night about strikers who score 1 in 3 or 1 in 2, but offer nothing else to the team aside from occasionally scoring, and how that type of striker is becoming extinct.

 

I think we’re seeing that awareness in Jordan as he is dropping much deeper to get involved in the game and link up play 

 

That’s probably where his struggles come from as he is used to just being a fox in the box 

 

But if he wants to maintain relevancy he has to adapt his game, and he seems to be taking that onboard 

It was on Sky mate.  I saw it also.  

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It's not just putting crosses.

The quality and variation on those crosses has been far better of late. 

 

Harris being a prime example. 

He's stopped trying to beat his man to the byline eveytime and started playing with his head up to see his options and pick the best one. 

 

For me, that's got to be down to Thompson. 

 

 

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Just now, shandypants said:

It was on Sky mate.  I saw it also.  

Was it? I’ve flickered through both over the last week. I thought it was Jermaine Jenas and Rio on BT 

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Thompson showing he can get the best out of the players which is really encouraging.

 

Not just Rhodes, look at Harris on Tuesday night, full of energy and drive. Whatever Thompson and the team are doing, it is clearly working.

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41 minutes ago, parajack said:

Unnecessary ,and waste of time...teams just push up,& put us under pressure,  ROUTE 1 ball forward to Wing backs to run with & cross & than get as many on the end in the box to compete...

Rinse & repeat,defend our goal in their half,by competing and putting constant pressure on the opponent.....(& dont change if we score,keep going....)

Focus on trying to win corners,free kicks,& throw ins...if the ball doesn't lead to a goal scoring chance....(and do something with them!!!)

Surely that just limits your scoring options? There is an argument that maybe we don’t have the right movement up front, but that’s a different issue We don’t score enough goals, why? Because of the quality of our strikers, or because our tactics are too limiting?

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I'd wait a little longer to pass judgement. I hear he's a first class pro but he's recently only scored two goals. He's not on some remarkable run and one of those goals was against a team that is bottom and will finish bottom. Let's hope this Jordan Rhodes is a new version who has tweaked his game a little and the team are setup to play more to his strengths.

 

Don't forget he's in the shop window as well. Seen many a player put a shift in for 15/20 games to win a new contract somewhere. 

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28 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

Was it? I’ve flickered through both over the last week. I thought it was Jermaine Jenas and Rio on BT 

I don't have BT - I saw Jamie Carragher and Chris Coleman talking about it after the match on Sky Monday Night Football.  

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1 minute ago, shandypants said:

I don't have BT - I saw Jamie Carragher and Chris Coleman talking about it after the match on Sky Monday Night Football.  

That was it. Thought Coleman spoke well really - although I wouldn’t want him here 

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26 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Surely that just limits your scoring options? There is an argument that maybe we don’t have the right movement up front, but that’s a different issue We don’t score enough goals, why? Because of the quality of our strikers, or because our tactics are too limiting?

Easy,

(1) we dont get enough balls into strikers

(2) not enough shots on target at goal...

Thats why i said route one..to remedy

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1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

They're only becoming extinct because managers are over complicating things and copying each other so it's the latest fad


In reality what will happen is this fad will die out and then guess what?

It'll become fashionable to have two strikers up front scoring one in three again

 

And I tell you this now for free - if we had two strikers scoring 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 this season all season we'd not just be safe we'd be promoted


But yeah we just have to sit this current fad out

Same as notion that playing out from the back is 'proper' football,but direct isnt.....

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35 minutes ago, shandypants said:

I don't have BT - I saw Jamie Carragher and Chris Coleman talking about it after the match on Sky Monday Night Football.  

I also thought Coleman talked well.  

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5 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

More like we've adapted to his strengths and play early crosses into the box

******** this, I mean it ain't rocket science. Get that bloody ball in box as much as possible and Rhodes will score. 

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17 minutes ago, parajack said:

Easy,

(1) we dont get enough balls into strikers

(2) not enough shots on target at goal...

Thats why i said route one..to remedy

Still too limiting. What percentage of goals in our division are headers? We need to investigate other ways of creating and scoring goals

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4 hours ago, Devonstrix said:

The renaissance of Jordan Rhodes under NT is very encouraging and I actually hope NT keeps the job now. Last thing we need is some new manager coming in and deciding Jordan is too much of a luxury, as other so-called knowledgeable managers have done. 
 

I’m delighted for Rhodes and hope he gets into double figures before the end of the season. 

Not sure a couple of goals can be classed as a renaissance. Let’s give him a longer run this time and see if he maintains the momentum he’s building up.

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