bladeshater Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Negative side is who as faith in a complete rebuild of the squad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 People talking about Shaw, but wasn't there an uproar on here that he'd signed a pre-contract with Celtic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 The financial landscape has changed massively in the past year thats for sure. If there is even an outside chance that this could be to our benefit I’d be delighted. I expect Reach to go as he is a good age for another club to invest in. Lees, Rhodes, Bannan are all 30+. They will be taking a pay cut I guess stay or go. I’d rather they stay if the terms are right but if they don’t then I don’t wish them any ill. As for the younger players that is a balls up and for your homegrown young players to drift away and be of benefit to other clubs is an embarrassment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 10 year contracts all round then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, SolihullOwl79 said: The point I was making is that given our financial position, it's a good job they're out of contract and not on our books at the current rates for another season. How many of our squad are going to be wanted by teams on parachute payments. Most of them are players that will help a relegation candidate team escape the drop, not many will aid a promotion push which is what the parachute teams will be after. Yes agreed again, but many teams that drop down, sell a player or two, like premiership quality centre halves, defenders, goalkeepers and wingers, only to replace them with good championship quality replacements in the hope that they will help them to get promoted. Bannan, Lees, Reach and Westwood may not be able to play every game for a team hoping to go straight back up, but they would provide cheap enough alternatives to either allow teams to use their parachute payments wisely, or to allow one of the other teams that decide to gamble on going up, to take a punt on them. Quite a few clubs have taken on loan players that are probably commanding similar wages and I should imagine that even loan players like Izzy Brown are not being paid a wage that is much lower than what Bannan, Lees, Reach and Westwood earn either, with these four having a known and proven pedigree at this level, which Izzy Brown and similar loan players do not have. Like you said originally, if the offers made are not too ridiculous you would expect the players to stay if they like it here and their families are settled. Rhodes must take a big cut if we did decide to keep him, JVA also looks as though he is going, so I do not think that any of the others will be on ridiculously high wages, so only contract lengths would come into play then, which could be a breaking point for some, but if there is a mutual will to get a deal done, hopefully we will all benefit. The main criteria for me this summer is knowing who we need to keep and who we need to replace right now and then make plans for getting all the contracts signed early. This puts the club in the driving seat and allows the club to dictate how much higher they are prepared to go to keep players and not the other way around when players have the club over a barrel as the summer ticks away and they wait to see whether better deals are available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I expect our stronger players will attract better offers from teams with parachute payments, as we saw when we failed to retain Fletcher and Fox last summer. Whether we're able to tempt any to stay this time around remains to be seen. The bigger picture of course is that we potentially stand to lose the likes of Reach, Bannan, Lees etc. for nothing rather than selling them when their values were high and reinvesting that money into the squad. I'm not sure that's necessarily a 'good thing'. The biggest losses were Fletcher and Nuhiu. Would have been mid table at least with those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 The salary sport website is interesting. Not sure how accurate it is, but they say... Sources - Press releases, news & articles, online encyclopedias & databases, industry experts & insiders. We find the information so you don't have to! The teams total wage bill is: £19,259,500 per year £370,375 per week Active Squad: The teams total wage bill is: £19,259,500 per year £370,375 per week Active Squad: Player Name Weekly Wage Yearly Salary Age Position Nationality Jordan Rhodes £35,000 £1,820,000 30 ST (C) Scotland Keiren Westwood £30,000 £1,560,000 35 GK Ireland Barry Bannan £27,000 £1,404,000 30 DM, M (LC) Scotland Izzy Brown £26,000 £1,352,000 23 M (RL), AM (RLC), ST (C) England Adam Reach £23,000 £1,196,000 27 WB (L), M/AM (RLC) England Tom Lees £22,000 £1,144,000 29 D (C) England Joost van Aken £20,000 £1,040,000 26 D (LC) Holland Aden Flint £18,000 £936,000 31 D (C) England Jack Marriott £18,000 £936,000 25 ST (C) England Callum Paterson £17,000 £884,000 25 AM (C), ST (C) Scotland Massimo Luongo £14,000 £728,000 27 DM, M/AM (C) Australia Julian Börner £12,000 £624,000 29 D (C) Germany Joey Pelupessy £12,000 £624,000 27 D (C), DM, M (C) Holland Liam Palmer £12,000 £624,000 28 D (RLC), WB (R) Scotland Kadeem Harris £10,000 £520,000 27 WB/M/AM (RL) England Cameron Dawson £9,400 £488,800 25 GK England Dominic Iorfa £8,400 £436,800 25 D (RC), WB (R) England Chey Dunkley £8,400 £436,800 28 D (C) England Josh Windass £8,100 £421,200 26 AM (RLC), ST (C) England Elias Kachunga £6,300 £327,600 28 M/AM (R), ST (C) Germany Fisayo Dele-Bashiru £5,300 £275,600 19 M (C) England Joe Wildsmith £5,100 £265,200 24 GK England Moses Odubajo £4,900 £254,800 26 D/WB/M (R) Nigeria Matt Penney £3,900 £202,800 22 D/WB/M (L) England Alex Hunt £900 £46,800 20 M (C) England Ciaran Brennan £830 £43,160 20 D (RC) Ireland Korede Adedoyin £800 £41,600 19 AM (RL), ST (C) Nigeria Ben Hughes £740 £38,480 20 D (R), M (RC) England Osaze Urhoghide £710 £36,920 20 D (RC) England Charles Hagan £530 £27,560 18 AM (R), ST (C) England Ryan Galvin £530 £27,560 19 D (L) England Conor Grant £530 £27,560 19 M (LC), AM (C) Ireland Charlie Reaney £530 £27,560 18 D (C) England Declan Thompson £520 £27,040 18 D (RC), WB (R) England Isaac Rice £470 £24,440 19 D (C) England Josh Dawodu £460 £23,920 19 D (R) England Joshua Render £460 £23,920 19 GK England Luke Cox £440 £22,880 18 D (C) England Liam Shaw £440 £22,880 19 M (C) England Liam Waldock £440 £22,880 19 DM, M/AM (C) England Luke Jackson £440 £22,880 18 GK England Lewis Farmer £440 £22,880 18 M/AM (C) England Filimon Asfha £145 £7,540 16 D (C), DM, M (C) England Alex Bonnington £145 £7,540 17 ST (C) England Leojo Davidson £145 £7,540 16 D/WB/M (R) England Caelen Kilheeney £145 £7,540 16 DM, M (C) England Fuad Sesay £145 £7,540 16 D/WB (L) England Corey Glaves £145 £7,540 17 D (C), DM, M (C) England Basile Zottos £145 £7,540 17 AM (RLC), ST (C) Belgium Luke Hall £145 £7,540 17 AM (C), ST (C) England Paulo Aguas £145 £7,540 17 M (RLC) England Luke Yates £145 £7,540 17 D (LC) England Charlie Curtis £145 £7,540 17 D (R) England Will Trueman £145 £7,540 17 M/AM (C) England Alex Hare £145 £7,540 17 GK England Jenson Whitham £145 £7,540 16 WB/M (R) England Danny Wassell £145 £7,540 16 D (C) Wales Josh Ashman £145 £7,540 16 D (C) England Jay Glover £145 £7,540 17 M/AM (C) England 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolihullOwl79 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ante's Bubbly said: Yes agreed again, but many teams that drop down, sell a player or two, like premiership quality centre halves, defenders, goalkeepers and wingers, only to replace them with good championship quality replacements in the hope that they will help them to get promoted. Bannan, Lees, Reach and Westwood may not be able to play every game for a team hoping to go straight back up, but they would provide cheap enough alternatives to either allow teams to use their parachute payments wisely, or to allow one of the other teams that decide to gamble on going up, to take a punt on them. Quite a few clubs have taken on loan players that are probably commanding similar wages and I should imagine that even loan players like Izzy Brown are not being paid a wage that is much lower than what Bannan, Lees, Reach and Westwood earn either, with these four having a known and proven pedigree at this level, which Izzy Brown and similar loan players do not have. Like you said originally, if the offers made are not too ridiculous you would expect the players to stay if they like it here and their families are settled. Rhodes must take a big cut if we did decide to keep him, JVA also looks as though he is going, so I do not think that any of the others will be on ridiculously high wages, so only contract lengths would come into play then, which could be a breaking point for some, but if there is a mutual will to get a deal done, hopefully we will all benefit. The main criteria for me this summer is knowing who we need to keep and who we need to replace right now and then make plans for getting all the contracts signed early. This puts the club in the driving seat and allows the club to dictate how much higher they are prepared to go to keep players and not the other way around when players have the club over a barrel as the summer ticks away and they wait to see whether better deals are available. The thing with loan players is that the club receiving the player don't always pay the wages. It's sometimes advantageous to the club loaning out to pay the wages on condition the player plays x amount of games. It's a way for them to expose a young player to competitive football to strengthen and develop them ready to fight for a place in their own squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 It'd be even better if we could afford top young kids, like Crewe's former left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 hours ago, SolihullOwl79 said: It's actually a good thing that so many of the squad are coming to the end of their contract's when the season ends. It means we're not lumbered with high wages Regardless of staying up / going down. No clubs are in a position to offer high wages anymore because of the loss of income across the board. Don't be surprised if a lot of those with no contracts after the summer end up signing on for another season on reduced terms. It's not like other clubs are going to be able to offer much more than we can. Some of them will opt to stay due to settling in the area with their families etc. There will probably be little difference in what other teams can offer, thus not justifying the upheaval of a move. Dont want them,they represent failure....sign again?= more of the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 49 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Good post Dutch nd here’s the thing, there’s little evidence that the club plans anything. Good or bad we seem to stumble into situations and react when we get there. Often the reaction comes too late. You are exactly right there is no forward planning at the club. It’s a one season process without there even being a plan in place for that season. We want playoffs but there’s no conclusion on style management type players I just get playoffs. The worry is I don’t see this changing, Chansiri just does not learn. Lost Hirst and Clare 3 years ago and we’re having same issues now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Dominic Iorfa £8,400 £436,800 25 D (RC), WB (R) England Josh Windass £8,100 £421,200 26 AM (RLC), ST (C) England Fisayo Dele-Bashiru £5,300 £275,600 19 M (C) England I'd be fuming if this was true and i was Windass/Iorfa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, SolihullOwl79 said: The thing with loan players is that the club receiving the player don't always pay the wages. It's sometimes advantageous to the club loaning out to pay the wages on condition the player plays x amount of games. It's a way for them to expose a young player to competitive football to strengthen and develop them ready to fight for a place in their own squad. I tell you what though, if the list of wages that I posted is anything like accurate, you can see why some young players are content to stay playing semi-competitive football in the U23s and U18s rather than go out on loan and play full contact, competitive football against fully grown men at a lower league club. I knew a couple of young members of Jack Charlton's team back in the late 70's and even though they were then just on the fringe, they were earning very good money and a couple of them did so all their lives without ever being top players. My friend's son has played for a league two team and now plays for a non league club full time and still earns a decent wage. The kind of drive, skill and fitness that players need to take them up to a decent level is a rare thing and a few nasty knocks, or twists can easily mess everything up for you. Anybody on here that has ever played against any of the professional players, even the ones that do not seem to be that fast, or high in stamina, will know that they are still extremely fit, which you would expect from doing it all their lives, but the players who play at the top end of the game, especially those that do it consistently over four, or five seasons or more, are remarkable really. Although, (when they are playing) I enjoy seeing my son's team play at U14 level, just as much, because they are not yet getting too cynical and are not scared to show off a bit and try things out. Sometimes when they are all on the same wavelength it is great to see the fast flowing football that they produce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, SolihullOwl79 said: It's not a good thing that we didn't sell when stock was high. I'm not saying it was. I'm saying given the current financial situation at our club and in general, it's a good job the contracts are up in a lot of cases. Doubtful any of our squad will be chased by clubs on parachute payments, they'll want better players than we have. I could certainly see Bannan and Reach being snapped up by top-half teams, if not necessarily those with parachute payments. It's only four months since we reportedly turned down an offer for Bannan from Brentford. If they're still a Championship team in the summer they may well come back in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Uroghide is the one that I'm bothered about to be honest. He looks a good prospect to me. Seems to be getting better each game and has plenty of pace which can help him get out of trouble if needs be. Clubs higher up will like those attributes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, Hornsby said: It'd be even better if we could afford top young kids, like Crewe's former left back. Yes you would imagine that our coaches and young players have played against enough good quality players like Harry Pickering to be able to spot them years before they hit the first team wouldn't you? I get the feeling that we never actually showed any real interest in him at all, other than press speculation. As our club's head of communication does nothing regarding communicating with the fans, maybe he helps to bring some of the silly rumours into the press. Blackburn had this deal practically signed and sealed before we were rumoured to be showing an interest and once they had, any interest from us would be incidental. We seem to have advisors that favour older, injured players, that are already on their books rather than any emerging talent, unless they can take ours and sell them to the highest bidder. Hopefully we are looking at signing some quality left back in the summer (), but looking at Pickering and the way he takes free kicks, crosses and scores in open play, as well as his tackling and other defensive play, he really could be something a bit special. Next time maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, markg said: Uroghide is the one that I'm bothered about to be honest. He looks a good prospect to me. Seems to be getting better each game and has plenty of pace which can help him get out of trouble if needs be. Clubs higher up will like those attributes. Yes with a shortage of good quality centre halves we really do need to sign him up quickly, but again along with all the other players that we may want to keep, we only get to realise this when he is in his final year. The club has absolutely no idea when it comes to players contracts, new players coming in, or existing players that are still wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbelly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 NEW Urhughide. Hutch. Dunkley Palmer. Penney Shaw. NEW. Luongo. Patterson. New. Subs Wildsmith Galvin Brennan Hunt Dele-Bisharu Windass Adedoyin Maybe something like this next season. Just need a solid keeper, a monster in midfield and a forward with a bit of pace (two probably) for the first team. Think we need maybe 3 more experienced heads for the bench. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, Yellowbelly said: NEW Urhughide. Hutch. Dunkley Palmer. Penney Shaw. NEW. Luongo. Patterson. New. Subs Wildsmith Galvin Brennan Hunt Dele-Bisharu Windass Adedoyin Maybe something like this next season. Just need a solid keeper, a monster in midfield and a forward with a bit of pace (two probably) for the first team. Think we need maybe 3 more experienced heads for the bench. Would be a decent enough league 1 starting 11 but leaves a lot of work to do on the squad still I reckon. Plus i wouldn't trust Luongo to be a reliable starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 By the same logic, could it be claimed to be a good thing to be homeless because it means you are not lumbered with high fuel bills? Watching the £5m of investment in Reach for instance walk away for nothing seems a strange positive. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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