Sefton owl Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 15 hours ago, Steve Down South said: I thought it was a bad idea to bring him back - I was wrong. Like so many others. Easy maybe for fans to say but Players should only be judged on their performances, regardless of what may or may not be happening behind the scenes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: It would be speculation without any circumstantial evidence, but we have some facts to go on. Therefore, it's an educated guess/opinion. You don't have ANY facts about what's happened in the changing room or during training etc So it's a total fabrication - not any sort of 'educated guess' Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: Maybe a few of our managers struggled with strong characters in the team Oh god... See what I mean? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanningtonowl Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 14 hours ago, Ronio said: Agreed. As much as I didn't like Monk, I was actually starting to warm to him, especially after that performance against Leeds. Then as soon as Monk started banishing players from the first team, I knew there and then it was the beginning of the end for him. As you say, he could have kept Hutchinson in and around the team until the end of the season when his contract expired, but to do that mid season was absolute madness. Plenty on here agreed with him though. Thought it was the right thing to do to banish him and Westwood. Never play for the team again. Bad eggs etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swfc-dan Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Been a big factor in our improved recent form. No surprise as he always makes us a much stronger team when on the pitch. Welcome back Hutch, he must be enjoying his return so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Yes, well done Westwood and Hutch. Many of us wanted the inept Monk gone and not you two. Monk hould have gone last March after the total surrender at Brentford but indecision let it drift on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: You don't have ANY facts about what's happened in the changing room or during training etc So it's a total fabrication - not any sort of 'educated guess' Did both Jos and Monk stop playing them? YES Are they both better than their replacements? YES Is it prove by results their absence was to the detriment of the team / results? YES Did other managers get them on the pitch and contributing? YES Are they both known to me more vocal/larger characters than your average squad member? YES From the facts above, I can take an educated guess that they both struggled to manage Westwood and Hutch. Not sure why you're struggling with this Think you're just being pedantic and stubborn now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Like Roy Keane? Kind of, put i think Keane should be a cautionary tale for him - he never learnt to accept those with lower standards If he had, I think he could have been a wonderful manager Edited February 10, 2021 by McRightSide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jamie_W said: Exactly the kind of assumption Mr Owlstalk is referring to. We don’t know either way what happened. But given their impact on the team performance and the fact they have been brought back into the fold twice now it is a very strange situation. What I do hope is that people will quit sniping at them, indulging in myths about them and appreciate the impact they are making on the pitch which is extremely positive. Well said mate Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewings Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Proper simple tho. Hutchinson wouldn't have not been allowed to resign and play for us if he had been a "bad egg" with his previous stint with us, surely. It's quick maths to me. The reason they didn't get picked before is pure football reasons, there's no facts at all to say otherwise. Bad judgement by previous managers sure but I think thats all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 13 hours ago, EXCALIBUR said: Monk was a fk ing idiot To be fair to him, he still will be. Just one that's not currently employed. Still wouldn't mind being a bob or two behind him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: Did both Jos and Monk stop playing them? YES Are they both better than their replacements? YES Is it prove by results their absence was to the detriment of the team / results? YES Did other managers get them on the pitch and contributing? YES Are they both known to me more vocal/larger characters than your average squad member? YES I agree with this that I've quoted - but I have another slant. I am pretty sure Jos thought he'd be in the job longer and be able to get better results, and because of that he had one eye on letting the older players, or at least some with perhaps a sell by date approaching faster than others fester on the sidelines with a view to bringing on younger players Just think he got the mix totally wrong and was too defensive minded which got the fans on his back faster than if he had played attacking football but still got the same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Already on his way to Player of the Season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest timrud Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I'd agree, the monumental turnaround in our form is no coincidence to Huch returning. Both on and off the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewings Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Salmonbones said: I am pretty sure Jos thought he'd be in the job longer and be able to get better results, and because of that he had one eye on letting the older players, or at least some with perhaps a sell by date approaching faster than others fester on the sidelines with a view to bringing on younger players Just think he got the mix totally wrong and was too defensive minded which got the fans on his back faster than if he had played attacking football but still got the same results. This is all it is, his face didn't fit. Obviously easy to say Monk and Jos got it wrong now but it was for football reasons alone. Hutchinson already said this in an interview... https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sam-hutchinson-sheffield-wednesday-exit-18527424 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewings Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 55 minutes ago, timrud said: I'd agree, the monumental turnaround in our form is no coincidence to Huch returning. Both on and off the pitch Agree 1,000,000x I was super sceptical with the signing, so far it's a masterstroke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, Bluewings said: This is all it is, his face didn't fit. Obviously easy to say Monk and Jos got it wrong now but it was for football reasons alone. Hutchinson already said this in an interview... https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sam-hutchinson-sheffield-wednesday-exit-18527424 That's fine but has nothing to do with what I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewings Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 @Salmonbones yeah.... when I put his face didn't fit it was towards "I am pretty sure Jos thought he'd be in the job longer and be able to get better results, and because of that he had one eye on letting the older players, or at least some with perhaps a sell by date approaching faster than others fester on the sidelines with a view to bringing on younger players Just think he got the mix totally wrong and was too defensive minded which got the fans on his back faster than if he had played attacking football but still got the same results" Jos was totally going for a younger overhaul, Hutch face didn't fit in what he was trying to do The rest of my post wasn't towards your comment, no biggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Bluewings said: @Salmonbones yeah.... when I put his face didn't fit it was towards "I am pretty sure Jos thought he'd be in the job longer and be able to get better results, and because of that he had one eye on letting the older players, or at least some with perhaps a sell by date approaching faster than others fester on the sidelines with a view to bringing on younger players Just think he got the mix totally wrong and was too defensive minded which got the fans on his back faster than if he had played attacking football but still got the same results" Jos was totally going for a younger overhaul, Hutch face didn't fit in what he was trying to do The rest of my post wasn't towards your comment, no biggie The written word sometimes comes across bad. My apologies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I suppose that some credit should be given to Pulis. The football under him was beyond dire but he saw the need to bring back Hutchinson pretty quickly. Thankfully we still did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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