Philb125 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, TodwickOwl said: There’s no excuse for not doing the basics He couldn’t even do that last night And yet he scored a higher rating than any other CM on the pitch. It’s really weird how our eyes see what we want them to see. I’m guilty of it with Bannan. I often think he’s had a stinker, maybe because he’s more talented than most I judge him harder. Then I look at stats and he’s been good. Weird how we judge things differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 In the last 10 days he’s played 80, 90, 80, 90. In the 89th minute last night he had the legs and the spirit to drag the team forward yet again, fed Harris, whose first-time (superb) cross was nodded home. But rather than celebrate, let’s have a big pop at him. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Philb125 said: An unbiased stats site rated him the highest CM on the pitch last night out of 6 players, one who scored and one who used to be the an England regular. But his own supporters can’t see that. Must be the unbiased bit that makes them objective I suppose. Stats can be viewed however you like. They don’t show lack of effort and commitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Let's be honest When it comes to players like Reach, Paterson, Palmer etc there are fans out there who make their minds up on their performance BEFORE the match It's sad to see 4 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Let's be honest When it comes to players like Reach, Paterson, Palmer etc there are fans out there who make their minds up on their performance BEFORE the match It's sad to see Yes I remember a certain poster stating Paterson was awful, although he was using it as an excuse to defend Garry Monk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Philb125 said: And yet he scored a higher rating than any other CM on the pitch. It’s really weird how our eyes see what we want them to see. I’m guilty of it with Bannan. I often think he’s had a stinker, maybe because he’s more talented than most I judge him harder. Then I look at stats and he’s been good. Weird how we judge things differently. I must be the complete opposite to you haha always been a Bannan fan, he very rarely puts a foot wrong - passing is pretty much immaculate and takes the sting out the game at the other end quite often in some. I can see Reach has always put the miles in but his end product and distribution has lacked for me for last couple of years, maybe in a better side he would prosper - I’d be looking to move if I was him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: Yes I remember a certain poster stating Paterson was awful, although he was using it as an excuse to defend Garry Monk. Paterson & Reach are polar opposites. Paterson gives his all every game, but sometimes looks like he's from a pub team. Reach always looks quality, but has the heart of a mouse. Both will be needed this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, TodwickOwl said: I must be the complete opposite to you haha always been a Bannan fan, he very rarely puts a foot wrong - passing is pretty much immaculate and takes the sting out the game at the other end quite often in some. I can see Reach has always put the miles in but his end product and distribution has lacked for me for last couple of years, maybe in a better side he would prosper - I’d be looking to move if I was him The great thing about football is two people can watch the same game and have completely different take on it. It be boring as hell if we all thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 hours ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: Thought he paired up quite nicely with Harris late in the game. Other than that was fairly anonymous. agree with this, nice little interchange with Harris in last few mins was almost his only contribution of note Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I may have to re watch the game (Christ I couldn’t say that about the Coventry game). I thought reach was involved in most of our neat play and chances. I thought he offered more than Bannan in all facets of the game. Yet two or three threads are slating Reach and I’ve seen nothing regarding Bannan. Reach may not be a natural in the middle but he does bring a good few attributes that we miss there. - Ability to receive the ball under pressure - Ability to carry the ball and run at defenders - Ability to support the forwards and get into the box - Ability to link up play with wide players and give/go - Goal threat None of our other CM’s (maybe Shaw but he’s still raw) offer any of the above. Whilst I still think he’s better out wide, he’s no slouch central as demonstrated last night where he was rated the best CM on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Fans sitting watching matches expecting Adam Reach to turn into some kind of blood and thunder Sam Hutchinson type midfielder and complaining when it doesn't happen is hilarious 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Didn't see last night. Reach is one of those players who, bafflingly, seems to get under the skin of the dumber elements of the fan base. He is what he is, and if he could make better decisions at pace and have A grade not B grade control, he'd be playing somewhere better. At championship level, he's good, and we have got a lot of miles out of him. Generally, his work rate has been more than acceptable, but his head can drop. Plus also in the past he's tended to play more frequently than most, in roles that require a lot of movement; so there has been some evidence of fatigue. But specifically on last night. It's not sensible to judge work rate on the basis of what you see on a TV or web broadcast. You just don't see anything like enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I watched the game ..... Did Reach play ? Never saw him ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Only seen the highlights. Reach seemed to be involved in everything going forward. Instrumental in both goals. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Worth watching the goals last night. Who pressed with Kachunga and closed down the full-back’s pass inside for our first? Who took us upfield and fed Harris for our winner? Answer anagram - had a cream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockers Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Didn’t he play the ball out wide for Harris to cross for the winner? Didn’t he play the pass to Bannan in the first half for his effort from the edge of the box? Didn’t he play Penney in for the cross when Kachunga should have scored? I know football is about opinions, but I do wonder what people watch when they question what someone offers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, Cockers said: Didn’t he play the ball out wide for Harris to cross for the winner? Didn’t he play the pass to Bannan in the first half for his effort from the edge of the box? Didn’t he play Penney in for the cross when Kachunga should have scored? I know football is about opinions, but I do wonder what people watch when they question what someone offers. It's nothing but sheer prejudice mate They've made their mind up on a player and will trot out any old sheeeeeite to justify their views It's weird Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Let's be honest When it comes to players like Reach, Paterson, Palmer etc there are fans out there who make their minds up on their performance BEFORE the match It's sad to see And Joey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Reach is off the boil at mo, although he was much better tonight than he was on Saturday where he was atrocious. He is capable of the sublime, which others simply cannot do e.g. his crosses for Patto and Windass’ headers. At the moment, he is giving the ball away far too frequently. In the position he played tonight, he needs to play the simple pass in front of him, instead of hitting longer passes. Also, he needs to be able to hold onto the ball for a split second longer until his teammates move into space and his options increase. He has a tendency to want to hit the pass really early, not allowing play to develop. Thommo needs to sprinkle some Thommo magic on Reach. He’s a good player and on form, he is in our starting XI every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Pieman said: Reach is off the boil at mo, although he was much better tonight than he was on Saturday where he was atrocious. He is capable of the sublime, which others simply cannot do e.g. his crosses for Patto and Windass’ headers. At the moment, he is giving the ball away far too frequently. In the position he played tonight, he needs to play the simple pass in front of him, instead of hitting longer passes. Also, he needs to be able to hold onto the ball for a split second longer until his teammates move into space and his options increase. He has a tendency to want to hit the pass really early, not allowing play to develop. Thommo needs to sprinkle some Thommo magic on Reach. He’s a good player and on form, he is in our starting XI every week. He's being played out of position though (as you mention) When he's played out of position he's never at his best We keep playing him out of position then wondering why he's not at his best/most effective It's because we're playing him out of position When we play him out of position he's never at his best We know this from every time we play him out of position 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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