SWFC Trust Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Hello everyone, please see below a link to the latest in a series of reports published by the Trust in support of our aims. This research paper looks at the ticketing strategy adopted in recent seasons by Birmingham City where attendances and revenue have both risen over the last five years. The paper is not put forward as a perfect template that Sheffield Wednesday should adopt. Rather, it is aimed to provide data and inspiration from which constructive recommendations are offered for reform at Sheffield Wednesday to help make it ready for the post-Covid era. We' have taken on board comments and suggestions made here and elsewhere before releasing this report. The reports we publish go through a thorough review process before they are released. Each paper is peer-reviewed after its first draft by a university based academic. The second draft then goes through a further full review by a different academic. The text is also proof-read. The data and arguments are therefore thoroughly checked. The author would like to say that any mistakes remain his own! The link to the report is here: SWFC Supporters' Trust Reports As always, we are interested in any thoughts and comments. The post below is our shorter blog introducing the report and its arguments. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SWFC Trust Posted January 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2021 Birmingham City Ticket Report - Blog Post There are many ways to skin a cat as the old phrase goes. According to a quick search on the internet at least the saying is older than Sheffield Wednesday – dating back to 1854. Plenty of time therefore for its simple message to get through – that there are many ways to achieve a goal. Talking of goals, let us return to football. The Sheffield Wednesday Supporters’ Trust have today published the second in a series of research papers. The latest paper is a study of how Birmingham City have operated their ticketing policy over the last few years. It finds that over the last five years attendances at Birmingham’s home games have grown by an average of over 6,000 per fixture. Revenue from season tickets and pay on the gate customers has grown by over £1 million per year in the same period. There are as many reasons for attending football matches as there are fans. The report finds that some commonly suggested reasons for rising attendances did not apply at Birmingham. The team struggled in the lower reaches of the Championship throughout this period, facing transfer embargoes and a points deduction on the way. So, the extra supporters were not flocking to see a successful team. Attendances in the Championship rose in the period, but Birmingham’s crowds rose at a rate more than three times quicker than the overall increase. So, it was not the rising tide lifting all ships to use another piece of phraseology. Neither was it a simple matter of cutting ticket prices. Birmingham’s ticket prices are considerably lower than the Owls. The cheapest matchday price averaged at £19 at St Andrews in 2019-20. At Hillsborough it was £33. Birmingham’s ticket prices remained stable throughout the period. The report shows that the average price paid per entry fell by seventeen pence during the period. Maybe therefore, the increase in attendances was due to a sustained period of low prices? The report argues that this cannot be simply the case. It shows how Birmingham have placed a relentless focus on attendance over the last few years. The club’s accounts show improving attendances as one only four key performance indicators for club in that time. The report also shows how the club have a simplified match day pricing structure – games are classified into three categories (A,B and C). Behind that, St Andrews stadium has been split into ten pricing zones. This system effectively turns the Sheffield Wednesday system of a wide range of match day categories (A-G) but a small number of zones (three) within the stadium on its head. The Birmingham City system allows the club to meet its aim of: ‘striving to offer supporters a broad range of ticket prices for matches.’ Some of those prices are higher than what is charged at Hillsborough. Many are not. The report goes on to show how Birmingham City use membership and other marketing strategies to further drive-up attendance. The report ends by suggesting that the need to rebuild after the Covid19 epidemic will provide an opportunity for Sheffield Wednesday to rethink their ticketing policy. Although Birmingham City’s prices are cheaper overall than those at Hillsborough, the lessons of what they have achieved could be adapted to the situation at Sheffield Wednesday. Reducing prices has not been the key factor in Birmingham’s success. The main factors in driving that success have been the provision of a range of prices and the long-term and relentless focus placed by the club on increasing attendances. The Trust’s reports do not aim to provide perfect templates for Sheffield Wednesday to follow. Rather, they offer data and recommendations to contribute to debate and provoke discussion. Twisting the earlier metaphor of the skinned cat, Birmingham City’s moggy is over a million pounds per year better off and in the company of over 6,000 more supporters due to the methods the club have used. Surely that provides food for thought. The SWFC Trust Board, January 2021 15 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weshallovercome Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I've briefly skimmed through the reports and must say I'm impressed, well done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Impressive stuff - keep em' coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Thanks very much to you all for providing this report .... Very interesting reading .. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Excellent stuff. I've just read the lot, and it's really good. I think if you can get the away attendances for the BCFC like you have done with SWFC, then the tables are more comparable, either way it doesn't distract too much from the overall findings. I kept seeing this word: "Strategy" though, never heard of it. BCFC have a plethora of incentives to get fans coming, it's brilliant. BCFC clearly have worked hard and have a key objective (probably several). They've a goal, and set out ways to achieve it. It' results are there for all to see (including revenue). Just as important as the increase in revenue is that they're encouraging fans to return more often, more than the cash that they bring. I hate the fact that several old-timers I know, die-hard Wednesday fans are priced out of Hillsborough. I note that St Andrews holds 29409, so they're actually running closer to capacity than us. Incredible we have 17000 empty seats and we're still turning people away due to cost. I honestly believe that we'd (Club, and some fans) rather have fewer fans and an big increase in revenue, than more fans and a smaller increase in revenue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeadonowl Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Thanks for this very informative Are the figures based on home fans only or total match receipts? Is the rise in attendances due to pricing alone or could it be the away end doubling in size? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFC Trust Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Manwë said: Excellent stuff. I've just read the lot, and it's really good. I think if you can get the away attendances for the BCFC like you have done with SWFC, then the tables are more comparable, either way it doesn't distract too much from the overall findings. I kept seeing this word: "Strategy" though, never heard of it. BCFC have a plethora of incentives to get fans coming, it's brilliant. BCFC clearly have worked hard and have a key objective (probably several). They've a goal, and set out ways to achieve it. It' results are there for all to see (including revenue). Just as important as the increase in revenue is that they're encouraging fans to return more often, more than the cash that they bring. I hate the fact that several old-timers I know, die-hard Wednesday fans are priced out of Hillsborough. I note that St Andrews holds 29409, so they're actually running closer to capacity than us. Incredible we have 17000 empty seats and we're still turning people away due to cost. I honestly believe that we'd (Club, and some fans) rather have fewer fans and an big increase in revenue, than more fans and a smaller increase in revenue. 9 minutes ago, yeadonowl said: Thanks for this very informative Are the figures based on home fans only or total match receipts? Is the rise in attendances due to pricing alone or could it be the away end doubling in size? Thanks both, being able to find away attendances for BCFC was one frustration of mine. I know though that BCFC have capped away ticket sales at somewhere just under 3,000 in recent years. (It's half of the Gil Merrick stand behind the goal). So, even if there were zero away fans five years ago - and 3,000 every game now, its only half of the increase. It won't be that much! I didn't put it in the report - but Blues do subscribe to the 'Twenty's Plenty' campaign, so that may have had an impact on any increase in away attendances as well . The figures as quotes in BCFC's annual report are total receipts from match tickets and season ticket sales. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, SWFC Trust said: Thanks both, being able to find away attendances for BCFC was one frustration of mine. I know though that BCFC have capped away ticket sales at somewhere just under 3,000 in recent years. (It's half of the Gil Merrick stand behind the goal). So, even if there were zero away fans five years ago - and 3,000 every game now, its only half of the increase. It won't be that much! I didn't put it in the report - but Blues do subscribe to the 'Twenty's Plenty' campaign, so that may have had an impact on any increase in away attendances as well . The figures as quotes in BCFC's annual report are total receipts from match tickets and season ticket sales. . Did the introductory meeting of the new supporter group engagement that was supposed to take place on Saturday go ahead and if so anything worth talking about from this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I'll play devils advocate here on my first quick observation. The main focus of this of this seems to be the impressive addition of another 6,000 fans into the St Andrews, resulting in crowds of over 22,000, although last season, pre Covid, they were dropping off again by 2,000 down to their usual non PL average of 19.5k. My only issue with it is with the dates used for the observations. The 6,000 growth occurs from a point of BCFC's lowest crowds for over 25 years. Does this not fudge the impressive growth statistic slightly? In 2007 in the Championship, they averaged 22,274 so it's not like they've added another 6,000 fans on the gate, rather than just get the original crowd back. Very much the same with ourselves, in 2007 we averaged 23,368 in Championship and last season pre Covid we were averaging 23,777. It appears to me that there is a maximum cut off point for all clubs with attendances in this league. Birmingham's appears around 22/23k. Our average attendance, since relegation from PL is 22,483. In the Championship, we've peaked at 27, 129 (16/17) and dropped to 19,268 (00/01). I'd be interested to know just what kind of attendance figure the trust think is achievable if we followed BCFC's lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFC Trust Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: I'll play devils advocate here on my first quick observation. The main focus of this of this seems to be the impressive addition of another 6,000 fans into the St Andrews, resulting in crowds of over 22,000, although last season, pre Covid, they were dropping off again by 2,000 down to their usual non PL average of 19.5k. My only issue with it is with the dates used for the observations. The 6,000 growth occurs from a point of BCFC's lowest crowds for over 25 years. Does this not fudge the impressive growth statistic slightly? In 2007 in the Championship, they averaged 22,274 so it's not like they've added another 6,000 fans on the gate, rather than just get the original crowd back. Very much the same with ourselves, in 2007 we averaged 23,368 in Championship and last season pre Covid we were averaging 23,777. It appears to me that there is a maximum cut off point for all clubs with attendances in this league. Birmingham's appears around 22/23k. Our average attendance, since relegation from PL is 22,483. In the Championship, we've peaked at 27, 129 (16/17) and dropped to 19,268 (00/01). I'd be interested to know just what kind of attendance figure the trust think is achievable if we followed BCFC's lead. Thank you, love a bit of devil's advocate. As we say, the report is designed to provoke debate and discussion - not provide a one size fits all solution to implement at SWFC. You are right to say that the attendances at BCFC did drop back off in 19/20 pre-Covid - which may suggest they'd hit some kind of limit. Their attendances were even lower in the two years before this report - so I wouldn't say we'd cherry picked the years/figures. Of course though, statistics can always be used to tell a story. And, yes BCFC have had attendances in the low 20,000s before. I suppose the point is - is there anything SWFC could learn from how BCFC have increased attendances? Do we just assume that they would have reverted to this level anyhow? With SWFC's attendances falling since the play off years - is there something we could do to increase them again? Without necessarily cutting prices dramatically? Maybe more questions than answers - but that's what we hoped to provoke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Repperton Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 All excellent work but alas, wasted on the fool in charge of SWFC! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastowl Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Very impressed with the research and presentation that has gone into that. Very interesting to see that they have got progressively worse on the pitch yet the attendances and income from match day revenue have both increased. For me personally I don’t there is too much of an issue with ST prices and they are good value for money. The issue is match day ticket prices, the club are basically pricing casual fans out of going to games. I worked it out a few years ago it was actually cheaper to buy a season ticket than purchase 13 match day tickets so that’s what I did. I have wrote to the club about this in the past but got a response which basically said they weren’t interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, SWFC Trust said: Thank you, love a bit of devil's advocate. As we say, the report is designed to provoke debate and discussion - not provide a one size fits all solution to implement at SWFC. You are right to say that the attendances at BCFC did drop back off in 19/20 pre-Covid - which may suggest they'd hit some kind of limit. Their attendances were even lower in the two years before this report - so I wouldn't say we'd cherry picked the years/figures. Of course though, statistics can always be used to tell a story. And, yes BCFC have had attendances in the low 20,000s before. I suppose the point is - is there anything SWFC could learn from how BCFC have increased attendances? Do we just assume that they would have reverted to this level anyhow? With SWFC's attendances falling since the play off years - is there something we could do to increase them again? Without necessarily cutting prices dramatically? Maybe more questions than answers - but that's what we hoped to provoke! I just think we just need to be realistic with our claims of how many fans will actually regularly attend Hillsborough, no matter what the price or how good the pie's are, the half time entertainment ect... The play off season of 27k, which equated to around 25.5 home fans was probably the maximum for me and that dropped by 1k the season after. Much like BCFC did last season. Any average over 22k in this league after two decades out of the PL is fantastic going but let's not get ahead of ourselves and think 25k+ are regularly achievable. They'll come once a blue moon when we're doing well, no matter what it costs. Local history tells us that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buddy Repperton said: All excellent work but alas, wasted on the fool in charge of SWFC! Jesus mate, give it a fekkin break. Its a suggestion comment on that. Can't you at least wait until the 'fool' has rejected it to have a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Think what is really interesting is the switch of ground bands and category bands. That might have some legs in it. Cheap seats to get fans back on pay on the day would be a welcome development. Make the best seats more expensive to balance it off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howards back Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Thanks for that. For me we need to get rid of the majority of price categories I would love to get rid of them altogether but I can’t see that so maybe just have two. Ticket prices need to come down especially pay on the gate. Tickets should be cheap for the full season not having offers like, season ticket holders bring a friend for a tenner, that’s been tried and it don’t work. People need to get back into the habit of going to the match again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nero said: Jesus mate, give it a fekkin break. Its a suggestion comment on that. Can't you at least wait until the 'fool' has rejected it to have a pop. You mean the same guy who sold Joao for two bob , rejected Vardy from Foxes for £5 million and son gives team talks? And daren't submit accounts , thus incurring criminal penalties for club. Again. Excellent research and understand Brum about to report profits of £ 3 million soon. Not long back , were in worst financial situation than us. £20 Kop , West Stand, £25 North , £30 South. Kids £5 and elephants free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakewell Owl Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 well done, excellent report it makes sense and for that reason Mr C will ignore it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hornsby said: You mean the same guy who sold Joao for two bob , rejected Vardy from Foxes for £5 million and son gives team talks? Lies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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