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22 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:



No offence but THIS IS JUST PLAIN WRONG

 

 

  All the under twenty fives i work with smoke and when I asked why as cigarettes are now far more vilified than in the eighties when I grew up the answer was the same as when I was at school . Its cool .  At my mates children's schools and my nieces and nephews smokers corner is as popular as ever . 

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1 minute ago, 3mps said:

The above may have been correct in the past, but not anymore, anyone licensed by the ukgc will be ensuring that all players can afford to be gambling. 

 

The ban on credit cards is just the start, as I said the measures now in place are extremely strict. 

 

Not only will you be forced to prove your "affordability" your limits will become mandatory and will be based on the evidence you provide. The % of money you will be allowed to spend vs your evidence will hopefully ensure that no one is easily able to get derailed. 

I’ve got probably about 15 sports betting accounts. Not a single one of them has asked to see my bank statements nor have they asked me to declare my income or declare my net worth.

 

Therefore they have no idea whatsoever whether I can afford to lose money.

 

I also don’t think if I lost over a certain amount anything would change because I often back with a bookie and lay with an exchange like betfair. One time I won over a grand with the bookie and on the corresponding lay bet I lost about a grand with betfair. Betfair didn’t know I’d hedged the bet elsewhere, so as far as they’re concerned I’d just lost a grand. They just sent me an automated reality check email about deposits. No checks on affordability and no block on the account at all

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1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said:

I’ve got probably about 15 sports betting accounts. Not a single one of them has asked to see my bank statements nor have they asked me to declare my income or declare my net worth.

 

Therefore they have no idea whatsoever whether I can afford to lose money.

 

 

Same here. I don't regularly bet big money, but one I remember was the last general election. Signed up, put on £200 quid bet the same day, no questions asked

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Do betting companies let you have credit accounts? 

I have to deposit to bet, not bet, then pay my debt at the end of the month.

 

Anyone who has a problem with gambling should use the daily, weekly, monthly deposit limits facilty on their account. 

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7 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

I’ve got probably about 15 sports betting accounts. Not a single one of them has asked to see my bank statements nor have they asked me to declare my income or declare my net worth.

 

Therefore they have no idea whatsoever whether I can afford to lose money.

 

I also don’t think if I lost over a certain amount anything would change because I often back with a bookie and lay with an exchange like betfair. One time I won over a grand with the bookie and on the corresponding lay bet I lost about a grand with betfair. Betfair didn’t know I’d hedged the bet elsewhere, so as far as they’re concerned I’d just lost a grand. They just sent me an automated reality check email about deposits. No checks on affordability and no block on the account at all

 

Yeah they do and you do to them.

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6 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

I’ve got probably about 15 sports betting accounts. Not a single one of them has asked to see my bank statements nor have they asked me to declare my income or declare my net worth.

 

Therefore they have no idea whatsoever whether I can afford to lose money.

 

I also don’t think if I lost over a certain amount anything would change because I often back with a bookie and lay with an exchange like betfair. One time I won over a grand with the bookie and on the corresponding lay bet I lost about a grand with betfair. Betfair didn’t know I’d hedged the bet elsewhere, so as far as they’re concerned I’d just lost a grand. They just sent me an automated reality check email about deposits. No checks on affordability and no block on the account at all

It's all comes down to, do you believe said company have acted responsibly with your account? I don't know your losses or metrics of play, deposits and activity etc but if you feel like they haven't then get them contacted. There is still companies receiving fines for the handling of some accounts. 

 

If you are a regular better,  betting with companies in the UK then be prepared for lots of what I spoke about over the coming weeks / months 

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9 minutes ago, The Wall said:

 

Same here. I don't regularly bet big money, but one I remember was the last general election. Signed up, put on £200 quid bet the same day, no questions asked

Why would they? Do you feel they should have? 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, papalazarowl said:

Do betting companies let you have credit accounts? 

I have to deposit to bet, not bet, then pay my debt at the end of the month.

 

Anyone who has a problem with gambling should use the daily, weekly, monthly deposit limits facilty on their account. 

They can’t extend you credit no, but it’s not as simple as that. They don’t check your source of funds so you can go get an overdraft or a payday loan then use that money to put in to a betting account.

 

A voluntary deposit limit is unfortunately not going to help because there are so many bookies out there that you can open an account with a new one in a couple of minutes and bet again once the limit is hit on another bookie.

 

It comes down to control but the issue is some people don’t have any

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4 minutes ago, 3mps said:

It's all comes down to, do you believe said company have acted responsibly with your account? I don't know your losses or metrics of play, deposits and activity etc but if you feel like they haven't then get them contacted. There is still companies receiving fines for the handling of some accounts. 

 

If you are a regular better,  betting with companies in the UK then be prepared for lots of what I spoke about over the coming weeks / months 

All I’m saying is they don’t intervene unless you ask them to intervene. And that’s not enough to stop someone with a gambling problem because they only seek intervention when it’s too late

 

Personally I would really tighten up.. make them request your bank statement and last tax return and check you’re in credit. And I’d regulate so that only a % of your income can be deposited over a 12 month period. It would be difficult to do though because deposits would have to be made via a third party who did all the checks.. can’t do it bookie by bookie as there are too many and it would be easy to get around the cap 

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4 minutes ago, 3mps said:

Why would they? Do you feel they should have? 

 

 

 

Strange reply.

 

I don't think they should, but you seem to think they have things in place to ensure that people can't lose more than they can afford to?

 

So, if I can bet £200 without any checks and somebody else can lose £1000 on Betfair without any checks, then presumably a problem gambler can lose thousands

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Just now, LondonOwl313 said:

All I’m saying is they don’t intervene unless you ask them to intervene. And that’s not enough to stop someone with a gambling problem because they only seek intervention when it’s too late

 

Personally I would really tighten up.. make them request your bank statement and last tax return and check you’re in credit. And I’d regulate so that only a % of your income can be deposited over a 12 month period. It would be difficult to do though because deposits would have to be made via a third party who did all the checks.. can’t do it bookie by bookie as there are too many and it would be easy to get around the cap 

Some (we) already do all of the above,  we have business intelligence / real time monitoring setup to spot problem gambling and anyone who shows such signs will ways have their deposits disabled and be forced to have interaction before being able to carry on with us. 

 

Players are also forced to provide their employment status / info + affordability at a very early stage and after this point a loss / deposit limit is forced upon the player from this evidence. 

 

I'm aware most companies do the same, however the thresholds may differ from company to company, but this is now changing across the industry and it won't be long before each operator is aligned. The UKGC is making sure of this so it's no longer in the hands of the fat cats. 

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2 minutes ago, 3mps said:

Some (we) already do all of the above,  we have business intelligence / real time monitoring setup to spot problem gambling and anyone who shows such signs will ways have their deposits disabled and be forced to have interaction before being able to carry on with us. 

 

Players are also forced to provide their employment status / info + affordability at a very early stage and after this point a loss / deposit limit is forced upon the player from this evidence. 

 

I'm aware most companies do the same, however the thresholds may differ from company to company, but this is now changing across the industry and it won't be long before each operator is aligned. The UKGC is making sure of this so it's no longer in the hands of the fat cats. 

So you work for one of the bookies?

 

Most bookies don’t do that. Here’s a list of bookies I have an account with:

 

Betfair

William Hill

Ladbrokes

Coral

Paddy Power

Mansion Bet

Betbull

888

Moplay

Betfred

188Bet 

Smarkets

Novibet

Bet365

 

I think there are a few more too that I can’t remember. Not a single one of those companies have done any affordability checks whatsoever 

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7 minutes ago, The Wall said:

 

Strange reply.

 

I don't think they should, but you seem to think they have things in place to ensure that people can't lose more than they can afford to?

 

So, if I can bet £200 without any checks and somebody else can lose £1000 on Betfair without any checks, then presumably a problem gambler can lose thousands

Sorry if it seems strange, two genuine questions, I hear all types of feedback and it ways interests me. 

 

As I said,  problem gambling will always be an issue, but its about the operators being responsible and doing all they can to protect all players. 

 

I go back to my original point, that you will not receive this kind of welfare from any other sector where you spend your money, but people only seem to be singling out gambling currently. 

 

This also isn't me defending sponsors and gambling, just merely that you could make a case for most sponsors and the morals behind them. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, cross owl said:

 

 

  All advertising has negative connotations . Consumerism fuels crime as not everyone can afford the latest TV or phone so because of advertising crime happens and no one would care if we had sony and their product all over the stadium and shirts . Where do you want to stop . Someone thieving to feed their own or someone else's need for a new item is fine but someone betting money they can't afford that no matter what they'd bet anyway is bad . 

So. Should we ban ALL advertising

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1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said:

So you work for one of the bookies?

 

Most bookies don’t do that. Here’s a list of bookies I have an account with:

 

Betfair

William Hill

Ladbrokes

Coral

Paddy Power

Mansion Bet

Betbull

888

Moplay

Betfred

188Bet 

Smarkets

Novibet

Bet365

 

I think there are a few more too that I can’t remember. Not a single one of those companies have done any affordability checks whatsoever 

I don't work for any of the mentioned, but in the industry yes. I also work for one never to be fined which is very rare these days, so as you can tell I feel strongly on the measures and lengths we go to ensure that everyone is as happy as can be. 

 

I get what you've said about no checks, and I'd say once again that you're about to see changes and that If you feel any of the above haven't acted responsibly then get contacting them. 

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22 minutes ago, Buxtongent said:

So. Should we ban ALL advertising

 

 

  That's just my point.  All advertising has a negative cost to society so how far are you willing to go . We don't mind being sponsored by apple even though their products are stolen and muggings happen directly because of their appeal but gambling is a no because people spend more than they have.  My point isn't stopping all advertising but why some things that have a negative impact are fine while others are not . 

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