Bucksowl Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: No offence but get out of here with your fearmongering nonsense Sorry not fear mongering this is fact if you do not accept that you may need to re look at the situation sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, latemodelchild said: He got us Into a massive mess financially, told us our gate receipts basically paid for nothing then blamed us for not paying up for stuff like club 1867 and 10 year season tickets. The club has little to no income because of covid etc, same as every other non prem club, but as he says, we pay for nothing. He chose to do away with traditional streams of income such as sponsorship and corporate so he could put his own money in. He could have done both. He could have had companies names plastered all over the place like every other club does and he could have added his name in other areas and injected cash. He wanted it all him though. Both the rock and the hard place are problems of his own making so don't guilt trip me about not doffing my cap to him. How good is you Thi. I am sure you can clearly explain in that language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bucksowl said: Sorry not fear mongering this is fact if you do not accept that you may need to re look at the situation sorry Tell us what the situation is 1) Are we in the relegation zone? 2) Do we have a manager? 3) Do we have a 6 point deducion? 4) Would you agree we've not siigned any new players of note? 5) The chairman called our fans bad customers 6) This regime cancelled the fans meetings previously 7) When the fans forums last occured they achieved nothing of note ever 8 ) Where are the accounts? Why are they not published? What else would you like to add? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, SWFC Trust said: Hello everyone, I've been offline for a hour or two. Will read through later, and if reply specifically if needed to any of the points raised. In outline though, the Trust's feelings about the statement and the following announcement about fan engagement are as follows: 1) this is positive news and... 2) as the response to our open letter shows we are happy to have played our part in bringing a new approach by the club to fan engagement. 3) the club need to make sure that the structure works, which is an area of concern. We will be putting forward positive suggestions to the club on how they can do that. 4) we hope all groups will work together and present a unified group, so we can address core problems facing the club. It must be more than just a talking shop. 5) having had success in one area of our strategy (fan engagement), we will re-double our efforts elsewhere. Look out next week for our latest report on ticketing strategy. You might have heard us on Radio Sheffield's football heaven last night talking some of this through. We're also going to be on the 'Wednesday til I die' podcast next Monday talking in further detail. Cheers, and UTO. Genuine question: when you say it's a 'new approach by the club to fan engagement', what exactly do you mean? I appreciate that the club have billed this as 'new', but they themselves go on to explain that they've 'implemented numerous variants down the years', with the 'Steering Group' being the most recent version prior to this one. Beyond the fact that this new variant is going to mostly involve supporters' groups, in what way is it significantly different to what's gone before during Chansiri's time at the club? Also, given that the Fan Engagement Index currently ranks Wednesday 88th out of the 92 league clubs for fan engagement, do you anticipate this 'new' approach making significant inroads in this area, and if so, could you explain why? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Reading through this thread, why do I find myself thinking about the kind of woman who always stays with her man and defends him against those pointing out his shortcomings, no matter how much he abuses her? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, DJMortimer said: Reading through this thread, why do I find myself thinking about the kind of woman who always stays with her man and defends him against those pointing out his shortcomings, no matter how much he abuses her? It's the same syndrome isn't it Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, hugeowl said: Well done for the Trust getting things moving however the club need to prove it’s not just paying lip service . The statement from the club earlier in the week was quite interesting. They were looking to source as many groups as possible including the Owls Trust, Wise Old Owls, Disability Owls and all the various age groups Under 20's to over 80's et al. The invites will be to representatives of groups to meet and discuss. It is a tried and trusted tactic to bury business under a mountain of documentation and a cacophony of idle chatter the result of which = 0. IMO Like ! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes or die Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Bucksowl said: Yes aware ; Keep shouting crap that's what you will get, beware what you wish for the grass on the other side of the hill could be worse. Dejphon??? Is that you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Tell us what the situation is 1) Are we in the relegation zone? 2) Do we have a manager? 3) Do we have a 6 point deducion? 4) Would you agree we've not siigned any new players of note? 5) The chairman called our fans bad customers 6) This regime cancelled the fans meetings previously 7) When the fans forums last occured they achieved nothing of note ever 8 ) Where are the accounts? Why are they not published? What else would you like to add? 1 to 3 cannot argue with, 4 window still open so you could be correct or wrong, Did he or is this down to understanding the English language, who would not why go into a adders den, that was down to the attendees was you there? and no I was not, the EFL are happy its a private company he is funding the club whats the issue, sorry not anther bat to hit the club over the head with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: The statement from the club earlier in the week was quite interesting. They were looking to source as many groups as possible including the Owls Trust, Wise Old Owls, Disability Owls and all the various age groups Under 20's to over 80's et al. The invites will be to representatives of groups to meet and discuss. It is a tried and trusted tactic to bury business under a mountain of documentation and a cacophony of idle chatter the result of which = 0. IMO Like ! 100% Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Bucksowl said: , sorry not anther bat to hit the club over the head with. YEY!! We got a 'another stick to beat the club with' post!!! I'm nearly at a full house of cliches Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stripes or die said: Dejphon??? Is that you? Sorry no come from Sheffield supported them all my life now retired now live in Buckingham close to MKowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Bucksowl said: The club still exist bills are paid if you cannot respect that you really need to go back to basics. Big mistakes have been made but I assure you people would push back against your solutions as much as the existing situations (yes I read your posts, some are good other are well lets say interesting). every one supports when things are going well (Yep you) anyone can criticise when things get messed up, hind sight as they say is the perfect science. The 'hes paying the bills' chestnut allways gets wheeled out..basically dc is having to honour the outragous contracts he dished out..whuch in turn are leading us into the financial abyss..in fact ive no doubt we are allready there..but remember folks..carefull what you wish for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: 100% We agree on some things then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Harrysgame said: Just a standard holding letter. Long enough to show some effort but no decisions or commitments to do anything other than keep communication channels open. I’d bet my house that DC knows nothing of the trusts open letter and even less of the clubs emailed response to it. Bog standard holding letter, as posted earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chansiri is king Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Kopparberg said: To late my old China !!! You’ve royally effed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Therealrealist said: The 'hes paying the bills' chestnut allways gets wheeled out..basically dc is having to honour the outragous contracts he dished out..whuch in turn are leading us into the financial abyss..in fact ive no doubt we are allready there..but remember folks..carefull what you wish for.. He can put us into administration or worse loose no more money uk derestriction cannot touch him get real yes he looses his investment (doubt he will get that back anyway) but he looses no more we loose a CLUB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Bucksowl said: ...anyone can criticise when things get messed up, hind sight as they say is the perfect science. If the league's financial regulations allow for a maximum deficit of £39m over a rolling three year period and the previous financial year you lost £20m, then it's probably not a good idea to increase your spending by something like 80%, as we did. Nor would it be sensible to outlay circa £10m on a player in a position where you already have six experienced options, even as other areas of the squad are in much greater need of reinforcement. It would also be sensible to ensure that if you came up with a fiddle scheme to circumvent operate within these rules that you make damned sure you do it promptly and correctly so as not to endanger the future chances of the club to exist at it's current standard. One also has to wonder about a chairman who complains about negative football before appointing one of the most well known exponents of it possible... and then getting rid of him a few weeks later, presumably at considerable expense. Either no particular hindsight is necessary to discern the potential drawbacks of such actions or I'm far more perceptive than I realised. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bucksowl said: He can put us into administration or worse loose no more money uk derestriction cannot touch him get real yes he looses his investment (doubt he will get that back anyway) but he looses no more we loose a CLUB Surely he’s his own biggest creditor, why would administration benefit him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFC Trust Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Genuine question: when you say it's a 'new approach by the club to fan engagement', what exactly do you mean? I appreciate that the club have billed this as 'new', but they themselves go on to explain that they've 'implemented numerous variants down the years', with the 'Steering Group' being the most recent version prior to this one. Beyond the fact that this new variant is going to mostly involve supporters' groups, in what way is it significantly different to what's gone before during Chansiri's time at the club? Also, given that the Fan Engagement Index currently ranks Wednesday 88th out of the 92 league clubs for fan engagement, do you anticipate this 'new' approach making significant inroads in this area, and if so, could you explain why? Good points, thank you. It might be a bit of sloppy wording on my part to call it a new approach. I know that we've had the Steering Group, Fans Forums and other opportunities to meet the chairman in recent years. Perhaps new opportunity would be a better way to describe it. It needs points three and four to succeed (structure and fans groups speaking with a unified voice). Get that right then of course it needs to club to fully engage with it as well. We are happy that the club intends to do so - but of course the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. I saw that fan engagement index. Hopefully, a successful process will help push SWFC up the table. Which is all a long way of me saying - it's a beginning. We will do our best to make it work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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