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4 hours ago, Athelwulf said:

 

Those are all good ideas.

 

But Channers was only interested in making a quick buck.


This is the crux of it. I personally don’t think he was ever interested in building something here. He stated when he first arrived Premier League by 2017. He just wanted to make a quick buck. It failed and he’s now stuck. 

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1 hour ago, Kew Owl said:

Yes, agreed, MM could not be expected to interrogate any potential purchaser to see what plans they had for the club or how they were going to run it.

 

 

And why would he, he was desperate to get out.

 

MM's wealth didn't stretch to cover multi million pound losses for the long term. He probably got his investment back and a little bit more.

 

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2 hours ago, daveyboy66 said:

Selective memory there I feel...lots of youngsters in their team they never played the their first team in the early rounds of the League Cup

Don't start that I brought that up in a different thread a few months ago and got slaughtered for it. I'm sure some people think our 2016 team was good enough to win the treble.

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43 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

Not sure how Milan Manderic could have done due diligence on someone who have never ran a football club before.
The only due diligence he needed to do that the money was not coming from some illegal or immoral source.
Was coming from a bloke whose family ran a tuna business and had the funds to pay.
 

The only DD Milan did was to make sure the cheque was cashed.

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19 minutes ago, prowl said:

The only DD Milan did was to make sure the cheque was cashed.

Yep

 

He had no need to do anything else other than usual legals re AML/ proof of source of funds.

 

Even if DC had told MM that we would be the best , most wonderful club of all time in negotiations, as soon as the contract is signed DC can do what the hell he likes -its his club.

 

 

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5 hours ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

I don't think he was interested in making a quick although he probably wouldn't have said no.

I think his main motivation for taking over Wednesday was an ego trip. 

Throw money at it, get promoted and have his photo took with the great and the good in the boardrooms of all the glamorous clubs to impress his friends.

Also have his name plastered everywhere to show people what a success he was.

 

Think you've nailed it there. Wednesday was Chansiri's hobby. I don't think he realised what sort of commitment and acumen was needed to run a football club effectively and I have a bad feeling he's getting bored and looking for a way out.

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12 hours ago, Tollertonowl said:

When Chansiri came to SWFC he clearly stated that he knew very little about English football, but would employ advisors (to help him) and was willing to invest in our club to ensure promotion upto the premier league. He kept to his word immediately investing funds into the stadium along with a new manager (arguably a bit premature) and a number of high value players (at least to SWFC) for key areas.

 

Then the new manager said that he'd let the team pick itself for the first year and sit back to analyse the team performances/players during this time. The results of this approach was an SWFC team that played fast attacking football and scored goals e.g. we beat Arsenal (full team) in the cup, but also played them off the park in terms of football. Then after Christmas we were looking like contenders for (possibly automatic) promotion (at least the playoffs), which is when Carlos stopped watching the team and took charge along with imposing negative tactics, which I believe resulted in a the play-off place  (for 2yrs running) and also losing out to Hull/Huddersfield (who were both promoted).

 

The latter game (after a full season of enduring CC's defensive football (for the greater good - grind it out - pass back - pass side ways) whilst knowing what we could actually do as an unleashed attacking side) so Huddersfield was just unforgivable, as I've a few mates that support them so aside from the usual banter/ turning the knife/ torturing me on the final result etc....

 

They actually took pity on me and gave their honest analysis of the game, which was WTF was your manager doing with the negative tactics given the circumstances - does he understand the rules... They reckoned (as did I) that if we'd have gone all out attack that they would have been unable to hang on.... They also ask me if CC actually new what the rules were for the play-offs given his tactics.

 

Anyway after losing out in the playoffs for the 2nd time we had (with Chansiri's Money) taken a big chance on the push and spent too much on players/ high wages/ old players (injury Prone) with long contracts to get us over the promotion line, which if we'd gone up made sense, as we'd just release them...

 

The team we had should've gained promotion in the first year and then most definitely gained promotion in the 2nd year, CC messed up with tactics and should've been sacked immediately after the Huddersfield game... By this point we also really needed to start changing the team, as most players had been at SWFC for over 3yrs and some players had asked to leave for premier league clubs (FF/AR).... 

 

An example is FF who spat his dummy out when refused a transfer which (for me) we handled badly as we should've just agreed with him to stay until the closed season and then if promoted he could then leave, which is what Alex Ferguson did with Ronaldo.. He also says that a team is only good for 2-3 yrs before you start to break it up and start again... 

 

However we kept CC, the same team that had failed twice and then endured his (CC's) negative tactics for a few more months, which based on the results by then (and until his departure) was clear the players (along with supporters) held him accountable for failure..

 

Since then we've become increasingly screwed by the Financial Fair Play Rules, which means that although we've got a Millionaire/ Billionaire owner who has/is willing to invest heavily in the club for promotion. We now seem in a worse position than when we were on the brink of survival and unable to sign players. 

 

So I don't blame Chansiri for the current situation, as he's backed us to the hilt and took a calculated risk, which should've paid off... Unfortunately CC let him down/ us down and the team down with his poor negative tactics...

 

So now the Financial Fair Play/ Bosman Rules have kicked in they are literally destroying our chances for promotion along with a number of other teams that also have wealthy owners/ investors such as Derby, Middlesbrough etc. who are willing to invest their own/ partners/ consortiums money regardless of turnover/ initial yearly accounting losses for promotion. However they cant do this due to FFP rules, which (for example) is why Gibson at Middlesbrough was kicking off about SWFC/ Derby to highlight his own frustrations, as he wants to spend big for promotion, but can't... So the result was they were lucky to avoid the drop last year, we will be this year and Derby next year...

 

To add injury to insult (of the FFP rules) then we've also got the Bosman rulings, which means a player can leave a club free of charge after their contracts expires... So we've got (I believe) Westwood, Bannan and Reach (now playing well) who will most likely leave by the end of this season KW/BB (last pay day for them) and AR to the premiership most likely, which I believe would suit him better football wise. We also can't sell these players now, as we wouldn't get market value with their contracts due to end shortly and we also need these players to stay up this season, as we can't spend.

 

However if we weren't tied on transfers previously due to the FFP rules then these players would've most likely left the club already for a fee to move elsewhere. Unfortunately they are now unlikely to agree an extensions to their contracts (unless for silly wages/ long length/ unbalancing the club) especially when a large signing on fee elsewhere is looming, high wages/ long contract (no initial fee), then we have the SWFC bad Karma/ wages issue and other clubs are already interested in signing them...

 

So for me its CC messing up with promotion and then the resulting rules of Financial Fair Play causing the issues we have currently... Its not Chansiri who invested like he said he would in the club and since the FFP kicked in has had his hands tied... He's also done all he can to get around the rules by buying the ground for stupid money and luckily reducing the points deduction (by 6 so far) due to the EFL error on their accounting advice mistake on the ground... 

 

I think that NT will keep us up and then hopefully we won't be tied by FFP rules in the closed season, which is when we should get a proven manager and spend big like Wolves did and go for it (rules don't count if promoted) or we will be stuck in the championship for years to come...

 

 

 

 

Yes the FFp rules are unfair. But you're still giving Chansiri far too much credit. He has made undeniable errors

Selling the stadium to himself too late and costing us 6 points.

Not selling players when their stock is high.

Pricing people out of attending games.

Buying players at the end of career with no resale value, who then become weights (in wage cost) dragging us down. 

Spending 10m on Jordan Rhodes (who's decline begun the season before we signed him. (Maybe he listened to the fans)

If he did... Listening to the fans. 

the most worrying for me is the fact that if he has all this money and is willing to spend it, why hasnt he invested in the infrastructure of the club. Upgraded the facilities, ground and scouting network - these things don't count towards FFP and they are long term fixes that would leave the club better off for years to come. Instead he threw money at it in a gamble and didn't realise he couldn't keep doing that (another way he falls short - he should have known the ffp rules before he invested at all). Its all very short termist. If he gets bored and decides to cut his losses, we will be paying for his behavior for years to come and be lucky not to end up like Bolton.  For this reason, and this reason alone we need to stick by him and hope he stays to keep us afloat. 

 

 

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Personally I hope the next appointment is a success, we go on a winning run and this tidal wave of negativity dies down. It’s not long ago since we had Steve Bruce at the helm, a great appointment, and we all felt pretty good about the future. Lot of good points in the OP but after a year of Covid topped off with Pulis’s dire football I can understand frustrations, but too much on Owlstalk is simply negative and not remotely constructive ( and not a majority view just a loud gobby one!). I bet Chansiri reads it.

 

It’s miles from perfect, but whatever you think of Chansiri, he wants success for MY club SWFC. Chairmen with cash don’t grow on trees.

 

I think he’s bored of negative slow football, so with financial handcuffs on, he’s looking for the best man to play attacking football on reasonable contract terms ( having lost faith with the 2 recent failures) , and I for one hope he gets it right and good luck to him.

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27 minutes ago, Stan Dupowls said:

Personally I hope the next appointment is a success, we go on a winning run and this tidal wave of negativity dies down. It’s not long ago since we had Steve Bruce at the helm, a great appointment, and we all felt pretty good about the future. Lot of good points in the OP but after a year of Covid topped off with Pulis’s dire football I can understand frustrations, but too much on Owlstalk is simply negative and not remotely constructive ( and not a majority view just a loud gobby one!). I bet Chansiri reads it.

 

It’s miles from perfect, but whatever you think of Chansiri, he wants success for MY club SWFC. Chairmen with cash don’t grow on trees.

 

I think he’s bored of negative slow football, so with financial handcuffs on, he’s looking for the best man to play attacking football on reasonable contract terms ( having lost faith with the 2 recent failures) , and I for one hope he gets it right and good luck to him.

 

The next appointment will be a failure because of the problems created off the field by Chansiri and his unwillingness to correct them.
I would rather have a competent chairman with limited resources than a mega rich incompetent one. Also does Chansiri have that much money now? Never spent much on the stadium or training ground as far as I can see.

 

If Chansiri is reading this can I please have my refund back you robbing sod.

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13 hours ago, Tollertonowl said:

When Chansiri came to SWFC he clearly stated that he knew very little about English football, but would employ advisors (to help him) and was willing to invest in our club to ensure promotion upto the premier league. He kept to his word immediately investing funds into the stadium along with a new manager (arguably a bit premature) and a number of high value players (at least to SWFC) for key areas.

 

Then the new manager said that he'd let the team pick itself for the first year and sit back to analyse the team performances/players during this time. The results of this approach was an SWFC team that played fast attacking football and scored goals e.g. we beat Arsenal (full team) in the cup, but also played them off the park in terms of football. Then after Christmas we were looking like contenders for (possibly automatic) promotion (at least the playoffs), which is when Carlos stopped watching the team and took charge along with imposing negative tactics, which I believe resulted in a the play-off place  (for 2yrs running) and also losing out to Hull/Huddersfield (who were both promoted).

 

The latter game (after a full season of enduring CC's defensive football (for the greater good - grind it out - pass back - pass side ways) whilst knowing what we could actually do as an unleashed attacking side) so Huddersfield was just unforgivable, as I've a few mates that support them so aside from the usual banter/ turning the knife/ torturing me on the final result etc....

 

They actually took pity on me and gave their honest analysis of the game, which was WTF was your manager doing with the negative tactics given the circumstances - does he understand the rules... They reckoned (as did I) that if we'd have gone all out attack that they would have been unable to hang on.... They also ask me if CC actually new what the rules were for the play-offs given his tactics.

 

Anyway after losing out in the playoffs for the 2nd time we had (with Chansiri's Money) taken a big chance on the push and spent too much on players/ high wages/ old players (injury Prone) with long contracts to get us over the promotion line, which if we'd gone up made sense, as we'd just release them...

 

The team we had should've gained promotion in the first year and then most definitely gained promotion in the 2nd year, CC messed up with tactics and should've been sacked immediately after the Huddersfield game... By this point we also really needed to start changing the team, as most players had been at SWFC for over 3yrs and some players had asked to leave for premier league clubs (FF/AR).... 

 

An example is FF who spat his dummy out when refused a transfer which (for me) we handled badly as we should've just agreed with him to stay until the closed season and then if promoted he could then leave, which is what Alex Ferguson did with Ronaldo.. He also says that a team is only good for 2-3 yrs before you start to break it up and start again... 

 

However we kept CC, the same team that had failed twice and then endured his (CC's) negative tactics for a few more months, which based on the results by then (and until his departure) was clear the players (along with supporters) held him accountable for failure..

 

Since then we've become increasingly screwed by the Financial Fair Play Rules, which means that although we've got a Millionaire/ Billionaire owner who has/is willing to invest heavily in the club for promotion. We now seem in a worse position than when we were on the brink of survival and unable to sign players. 

 

So I don't blame Chansiri for the current situation, as he's backed us to the hilt and took a calculated risk, which should've paid off... Unfortunately CC let him down/ us down and the team down with his poor negative tactics...

 

So now the Financial Fair Play/ Bosman Rules have kicked in they are literally destroying our chances for promotion along with a number of other teams that also have wealthy owners/ investors such as Derby, Middlesbrough etc. who are willing to invest their own/ partners/ consortiums money regardless of turnover/ initial yearly accounting losses for promotion. However they cant do this due to FFP rules, which (for example) is why Gibson at Middlesbrough was kicking off about SWFC/ Derby to highlight his own frustrations, as he wants to spend big for promotion, but can't... So the result was they were lucky to avoid the drop last year, we will be this year and Derby next year...

 

To add injury to insult (of the FFP rules) then we've also got the Bosman rulings, which means a player can leave a club free of charge after their contracts expires... So we've got (I believe) Westwood, Bannan and Reach (now playing well) who will most likely leave by the end of this season KW/BB (last pay day for them) and AR to the premiership most likely, which I believe would suit him better football wise. We also can't sell these players now, as we wouldn't get market value with their contracts due to end shortly and we also need these players to stay up this season, as we can't spend.

 

However if we weren't tied on transfers previously due to the FFP rules then these players would've most likely left the club already for a fee to move elsewhere. Unfortunately they are now unlikely to agree an extensions to their contracts (unless for silly wages/ long length/ unbalancing the club) especially when a large signing on fee elsewhere is looming, high wages/ long contract (no initial fee), then we have the SWFC bad Karma/ wages issue and other clubs are already interested in signing them...

 

So for me its CC messing up with promotion and then the resulting rules of Financial Fair Play causing the issues we have currently... Its not Chansiri who invested like he said he would in the club and since the FFP kicked in has had his hands tied... He's also done all he can to get around the rules by buying the ground for stupid money and luckily reducing the points deduction (by 6 so far) due to the EFL error on their accounting advice mistake on the ground... 

 

I think that NT will keep us up and then hopefully we won't be tied by FFP rules in the closed season, which is when we should get a proven manager and spend big like Wolves did and go for it (rules don't count if promoted) or we will be stuck in the championship for years to come...

 

 

 

 

What a load of absolute claptrap.....

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12 hours ago, Tollertonowl said:

Whats the alternative? He's put in the cash and was let down by CC and now screwed with FFP rules/ Bosman.. Since then he's mad some good decisions/ bad decisions/ been unfortunate e.g. S Bruce. So do we go back to the crap we watched for circa 15yrs pre Chansiri and wondering if we will exist on a season to season basis as a club or wait until FFP restrictions let us go for it again. Even if he goes we will be screwed on spending as a club anyway so a new owner won't change anything... So what I'm trying to say is that it's not him, as his hands are tied.... 

The alternative is he sells the Club........you think the Club is in a better position before he came? or worse? all this woe is me,hard luck story is so much nonsense...eg FFP rules were known well in advance,as was the potential penalty for breaching them....only way to 'escape' sanction,was to escape the clutches of the EFL by gaining Promotion to the PL...

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9 hours ago, mcmigo said:

Lets  look at the OP another way.

 

In my 'real' life I run a business with turnover which is over double that of SWFC.  If I:

 

1.  Were one of the worst performing of the 24 businesses in my sector

2.  Were unable to make staff payroll on multiple occassions

3.  Were in constant trouble with the regulator who banned me from hiring anyone else for periods, and gave me fines.

4.  My customers were paying the highest prices in the sector but hated my product.

5.  Had to rely on creative accounting to disguise the massive losses I was making

6. Kept hiring bad CEOs , including sacking the last one after 6 weeks

7.  Decided to make my staff wear shirts and ties with my name all over it, changed the company logo and also stuck my name in massive letters on the front of the office building, despite the company not being named after me and it being 150 years old.

 

 

etc etc

 

Would my staff or customers say I was just unlucky?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course not,which is why the OP is just utter  nonsense

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7 hours ago, BowOwl said:

I've said this a few times on here but still:
DC seems like a genuine decent family man with good intentions. He bought us with the long term vision of raising his son to continue after him. He invested immediately in the ground, spent time with the fans, bought bloody players we asked for (Rhodes).

However he is simply a very naive/average businessman, with 0 football experience, and tbh not much financial experience. The complete failure to bring in a skilled DOF has been the downfall. Every single issue has come from the lack of knowledge, eg bringing in silly purchases (Rhodes).

I actually like Chansiri if you remove the Wednesday element, anyone who is vile to him on social media etc is a disgrace.

BUT - He needs to take a big personal hit of pride and bring someone in asap to run the club for him. If they happens, and we stay up this year there is a slim chance we could turn this massive ship around. We would need to probably have another survival year next year, but if a proper vision was in place I would accept that.

If we go down, DC is not going to be able to recover. The financial hit will be too big, the blame will be everywhere and the mood will be gone until there is a fresh start.
 

Who asked for Rhodes?..source please?....Maybe the Chairman was told that....who do you think might have negotiated that?

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