SallyCinnamon Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, whowantstoberich said: SO LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT: You’re having a pop at people you disagree with for having a pop at someone they don’t agree with? He’s not at all. What seems to happen is someone offers an opinion. And rather discuss whether that opinion is correct or not - the person would rather have a pop at the person who gave their opinion. Biggs has an agenda, Palmer has an agenda, Waddle has an agenda etc etc. They’re just blokes airing concerns like anyone can. Yet rather than debating whether their view is right or wrong, you get people telling them to do their ‘jobs properly’ or ‘I don’t take him seriously because he said this once’. It just distracts away from what is actually being said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Backed Allen when he took one of our own to court when he had cancer...fuckhim and the horse he rode in on Again, what has this got to do with him offering an opinion on current affairs at Sheffield Wednesday in 2021? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragonOwl Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Strange tweet. None of the people except Monk have anything to do with the club. Monk would have had input in signings, but. the club gets offered players, just like most clubs. If it's a head coach we want, then why does it create a worrying picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Yorksowl said: Why do that. I just take it at face value that any sports writer or journalist writes something is taken with a big pinch of salt. Safest way. Im sure the club do likewise. So what your saying along with one or two of your chums on here, we should read this forum but by god dont dare make comment. Id sooner slit my wrists. Anyway, and I might be guilty of this, isn't it about posts and not posters. Your trying to paint me as going round shaking my fist at everyone. Ooooh Betty. Why do you think the The Star newspaper is virtually defunct. . I'll guard against critising Sports Writers or Journos. The Star is struggling because every local paper is struggling up and down the country. It’s nothing to do with the quality of writers. It’s because the way in which we consume news and information in this day and age has changed hugely. But yes you continue to give grief to local reporters who don’t earn a lot of money. Who are simply trying to cover Sheffield Wednesday and provide content for its supporters. We’d be less off with the likes of Biggs, Howson and Miller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pioowl Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: So basically it's everyone in football, and all the journalists, and all the ex-players who are ALL screaming that something is wrong - they're the ones that are wrong about everything Meanwhile we have the current owner who's got us into a 12 point deduction, sold the stadium, buys dubious players repeatedly and often and calls the fans bad customers - he's the one who's right? AT LAST--youve realised HE IS THE 1 WHO IS RIGHT. Goodness me ,thats taken some gettibg through to you !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 It can’t just be recruitment as many clubs do not allow the manager sole control. It must be his character and way of operating more generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 42 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Not shining examples when compared to Liverpool, Man City, Tottenham, Leicester, Everton where the manager is control of the football side of the business That’s fair enough, but we are not in the same stratosphere as those clubs. I also do not believe it is black and white there either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swfc1983 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 For what it’s worth I think the local journos do a decent job, the standard has definitely picked up in the last year or so and it must be difficult to report on a club like ours where the chairman gives nothing away until his biannual zoom call blow out. I don’t really consider Biggs a specialist Wednesday reporter anyway he just covers most of South Yorkshire but I don’t think he has any real contact who’s currently at our club. His is mainly opinion based like ours. As I said earlier would love a journalist to do a proper investigation job on Chansiri to uncover what is actually going off at the club but fully understand why the local journos can’t and won’t do this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, swfc1983 said: For what it’s worth I think the local journos do a decent job, the standard has definitely picked up in the last year or so and it must be difficult to report on a club like ours where the chairman gives nothing away until his biannual zoom call blow out. I don’t really consider Biggs a specialist Wednesday reporter anyway he just covers most of South Yorkshire but I don’t think he has any real contact who’s currently at our club. His is mainly opinion based like ours. As I said earlier would love a journalist to do a proper investigation job on Chansiri to uncover what is actually going off at the club but fully understand why the local journos can’t and won’t do this. Absolutely. They’re not BBC Panorama ffs. If they were they’d be paid a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Mishowl said: I keep reading this but Hasenhuttl has a big say in who Southampton sign while we are signing players and don’t even have a manager/coach. Our manager has a big say. No manager has come out and said any different to that. I think Andre Green is an opportunist move, which just makes sense. I suspect Thommo also have it a nod of approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pieman said: That’s fair enough, but we are not in the same stratosphere as those clubs. I also do not believe it is black and white there either. Those clubs listed are light years away from us. In fact most Premier League clubs are. A better comparison would be to compare us to other clubs in this division. How do they operate? I might look into it later but a bet the vast vast majority have some kind of CEO, DOF or technical director. We have none of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, BRUCE LEE said: Assume it was down to the reality of our FFP case and a points deduction which would completely change the complexity of his summer recruitment and achievable goals for the season ahead Pretty valid concern really Yeah not arguing with that and I think DC takes some management. But funny no one mentioned this when he left for Newcastle and media even local happy to put the blame on Bruce until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, SallyCinnamon said: Those clubs listed are light years away from us. In fact most Premier League clubs are. A better comparison would be to compare us to other clubs in this division. How do they operate? I might look into it later but a bet the vast vast majority have some kind of CEO, DOF or technical director. We have none of the above. That was my exact point, if you missed my earlier post. We need those people for the ‘head coach’ principle to work successfully, in my opinion. Please start your review with Brentford and feed back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hougoumont Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Bluesteel said: I think SB was quite frustrated in having to try and manage DC but if he was so clearly intent on leaving why has Alan Biggs only pulled this card out now? Under Bruce we made a fair few signings in Iorfa, Harris, Aaron’s, Lazaar Odubajo, which most people would have agreed addressed areas we were lacking. Yeah! I bet the fat man at Newcastle is a pussycat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, gurujuan said: Plus Jos signed Hector. In fact, it was only under Monk where the signings were questionable. Since the money ran out, signings have been a little more targeted, other than the last two windows Yeah but it seemed to be take what we could get with -12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Pieman said: That was my exact point, if you missed my earlier post. We need those people for the ‘head coach’ principle to work successfully, in my opinion. Please start your review with Brentford and feed back. Ahh I see mate. Yep you’re absolutely bang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Hougoumont said: Yeah! I bet the fat man at Newcastle is a pussycat. I don’t think he’s very hands on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: Yeah not arguing with that and I think DC takes some management. But funny no one mentioned this when he left for Newcastle and media even local happy to put the blame on Bruce until now Quite a few of Bruce’s media allies alluded to it before the Newcastle mess tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 If Bruce was going to leave anyway why did he come out with the sob story and said he deserved the barrage of abuse ?? Sorry, but not buying this latest story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley8 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I seem to remember it being put out there when Bruce went to Newcastle that he was may be not happy and let's not forget Bruce took a month off before starting. May be he wasn't sure what he was getting himself into and needed a breather. You don't do that if your up for it. Most want to get straight in there and get started...... Over all we have made signings where it's looked as if it's more to do with who they are represented by. Under all manager's except Bruce I think we've signed players who never played several under Carlos never got a look in. This also helped under Mandy. It may be part of the new modern way...but when the person deciding on a player or the selection hasn't got a clue then it's false economy... And to be fair it's all crap. It's just owners wanting to be in control. It doesn't work. If you look at it over the long term. It comes down to more having a successful manager who moves on and the next manager not being too different in style. Look at Brentford Dean Smith started it and is showing his quality at Villa. Look at Southampton Mr Rabbit hutch is the manager who's made the difference. Controlling the players who come in too much just means wastage, maybe small amounts but it will build up over time. You need a good manager and a guiding hand just watching for panic buys or potential waste like bad injury records etc. Not manage the team with me just saying here are the players here is how I want you to play and here is what I expect. Because for most it will be like giving someone a lego set with the wrong instructions and some wrong parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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