FreshOwl 10,468 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 14 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: So basically sit down, shut up, and pay up? Pretty much. Unless you think there’s something else that can be done? I think the man is useless by the way, but he owns the club and chooses how to run it. Until he’s gone it’s all just trivial Link to post Share on other sites
Hookowl 11,221 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Haven't read all the thread yet so this may have already been said, but what struck me about it is "If you're not allowed to manage you're an employee not a manager" I may be a bit naive but I always understood that a manager of any company was employed by that company and therefore an employee. Unless they are an owner manager. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites
GMOwl72 1,957 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 He’s not really put it across that well. Even the manager is an employee of the club unless he’s contracting surely? Maybe he was too polite to use the phrase ‘Yes Man’ given talks are not dead even if not currently ongoing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Snooty 53,341 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Chansiri and Pax would be better off just doing what Ron Noades did at Brentford and doing it themselves. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
NOT jack whitham 613 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 FOR F@CK SAKE CHANSIRI GET COOK IN NOW...please 1 Link to post Share on other sites
@owlstalk 44,412 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I don't want Cook now If Chansiri begrudgingly gave it to him after a fan backlash could you imagine how it would turn out? Nahhh - sod that We have no choice but to move on Owlstalk Shop Link to post Share on other sites
SallyCinnamon 23,969 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I don't want Cook now If Chansiri begrudgingly gave it to him after a fan backlash could you imagine how it would turn out? Nahhh - sod that We have no choice but to move on Christ. It would all be our fault wouldn’t it 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Athelwulf 4,212 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, NOT jack whitham said: FOR F@CK SAKE CHANSIRI GET COOK IN NOW...please 2 Link to post Share on other sites
OWLERTON GHOST 30,436 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 We haven't done too bad since our last manager departed ..... Onwards n upwards ...... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bubbleowl 237 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, IWEDFM said: A manager should always be the one that calls the shots when it comes to training, tactics, signings etc. Yes the chairman needs to be supportive and he decides what money is available to spend but it should always be the manager that makes the final call as it falls on his shoulders if results aren't going their way. I know in Europe the model is different and it's common for a head coach to accept players that are put infront of him and he has to get on with it but to be succesful a manager especially with 20/30 years experience in football has to be allowed to manage the team in the way he see's fit otherwise the chairman should just save on a wage and manage the team himself Your right but I would imagine 70/80% 0f clubs are run like us in the top 2 divisions. I think a prime example are brentford and maybe reading even man utd do it this way the difference is they do it far better than us with scouting and recuitment. This is why if you get it wrong which we are it leaves your manager/coach with a disjointed team and players who cant play your system, which ends with disgruntled fans and then dismissal. Paul cook would have end up exactly the same as monk and pulis unless he accepted he was only a coach and not a manager which is why Carlos was reasonably successful he knew his job which is why l think we will go foreign again if possible 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Drewswfc 2,891 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 15 hours ago, Ozymandias Owl said: This is another irony about Paul Cook, in the interview posted on Owlstalk this week he stated he preferred to stick to the same formation, so over a period of time, and with work on the training ground, players learn the formation and style of play. Eventually his methods make better players and lead to better results. That was music to my ears... So once again we're opting for a football genius who's going to blind the players with science and changes in formation. I hope for DC and Att, it finally works out for us... I hope att's his own man and is watching his old man fűčkîng us up and as some ideas how to get us out of this poo when he's handed the reins.... How old is he? When can he start? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Snooty 53,341 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said: Christ. It would all be our fault wouldn’t it It will be anyway! I'd rather take the blame for our choice of appointment than his! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
victorturner 298 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Milan Mandaric tried to sell the club to that Azerbaijan guy or was it Kazahkstan. Then Chansiri . Took the money and ran. Did he really do due diligence on the kind of guy he was. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
prowl 10,539 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 11 minutes ago, victorturner said: Milan Mandaric tried to sell the club to that Azerbaijan guy or was it Kazahkstan. Then Chansiri . Took the money and ran. Did he really do due diligence on the kind of guy he was. Didn't DC say there was a load of money owed by the club that he knew nothing about when he bought it? Infact it only came into the public domain recently so it could be that he only found out about it recently. From memory it was mentioned at the recent press briefing. If I'm right it's not very impressive due diligence on DC's part or his accountants. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
areNOTwhatTHEYseem 44,775 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 46 minutes ago, Drewswfc said: I hope att's his own man and is watching his old man fűčkîng us up and as some ideas how to get us out of this poo when he's handed the reins.... How old is he? When can he start? He's been one of our 'advisors' for years, hasn't he? Remember Carvalhal revealing it was Att who made the final decision on appointing him as manager? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
A12owl 12,793 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I don't want Cook now If Chansiri begrudgingly gave it to him after a fan backlash could you imagine how it would turn out? Nahhh - sod that We have no choice but to move on You didn't want cook anyway because he hasn't done anything in the championship. Link to post Share on other sites
gizowl 1,439 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, Hookowl said: Haven't read all the thread yet so this may have already been said, but what struck me about it is "If you're not allowed to manage you're an employee not a manager" I may be a bit naive but I always understood that a manager of any company was employed by that company and therefore an employee. Unless they are an owner manager. You can see what he's getting at, yes he's employed but he is totally responsible for the results and performances of the team yet with interference on key issues including player recruitment and possibly other things. Not really a recipe for success. Link to post Share on other sites
Hornsby 325 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I don't want Cook now If Chansiri begrudgingly gave it to him after a fan backlash could you imagine how it would turn out? Nahhh - sod that We have no choice but to move on If Chansiri is vindictive how come Paxo is still breathing? Or is he more than just an advisor? We left it to these two last time and look what happened. Cooky's clearly mad keen and the more fan pressure applied better, surely. Link to post Share on other sites
Beauchief Owl 2,785 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 hours ago, BRUCE LEE said: Aye Because it’s not like there’s half a dozen league clubs mid takeover at present is it Clearly deluded Have you really not noticed the events at Wigan and Sunderland? Many Wigan fans fearing another relegation unless a buyer with a suitable bid comes in , meanwhile they've had to sell all their best players. What happened to Bury, Macclesfield and Bolton with so many buyers........and that was before Covid! Link to post Share on other sites
Drewswfc 2,891 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 32 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: He's been one of our 'advisors' for years, hasn't he? Remember Carvalhal revealing it was Att who made the final decision on appointing him as manager? Fűčk me years n years of torture to come then. They always say the apple never falls far from the tree. Brilliant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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