WalthamOwl Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Reckon this is the bookies trying to get people to lump on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, striker said: Another piece. I've been trying to find some positives but struggling. Multiple sources quoting one dimensional, dreary football....sounds familiar. https://www.thetotallyfootballshow.com/from-the-podcasts/watford-xisco-munoz-vladimir-ivic-troy-deeney/ For the love of god, try harder! I've been doing my best to convince myself to be optimistic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, flo said: I guarantee whoever we appoint will be sacked by next Christmas DC will probably backdate the sacking to last Christmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Knowing our luck we will all be wishing it was Ivic when Chansiri appoints someone a lot more disappointing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Joao's Tooth Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Neil Lennon won Cups and titles in Scotland. Not sure many would want him for the Wednesday job. Exactly and he has a 70% Win ratio at Celtic. Doesn't make them good managers because they have good win ratios in leagues with 2 good teams in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flo Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Couldn't Dejphon tell all Wednesday fans to put all their life savings on betting that Ivic is appointed, then appoint him, then fans invest winnings back into the club, thus making us the richest club in world football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, Manwë said: The issues with football immigration have existed for donkeys, the only difference is that pre-Brexit, such rules didn't apply for EU nationals. Now they equally apply. It's why you never had Yeovil signing unheard of players from Argentina and Senegal. Remember Rudi Austin . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Neil Lennon won Cups and titles in Scotland. Not sure many would want him for the Wednesday job. Absolutely ridiculous people are talking about Lennon mate, shocking manager. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Owl Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 07/01/2021 at 11:30, Incognito Owl said: Found this about him: https://www.90min.com/posts/things-to-know-vladimir-ivic Points 3. and 4. are interesting for his style of play. 3. He Loves Using Different Formations to Attack "I know what I want and, perhaps even more important, what I imagine is realistic to implement. Personally, I like attacking and aggressive football, with high pressure, but I tailor the scheme according to the circumstances." 4. But His Football Isn't Always Attractive "We won because we played organized and strong football" Some varied views from Watford fans: https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watford-fans-ivic-sacking-reaction-4816243 Some blame the players ect. and some are happy he was gone. A bit about his views on youth players: https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/18807393.vladimir-ivic-claims-watfords-youth-strategy-big-risk/ From his https://www.transfermarkt.com/vladimir-ivic/profil/trainer/35944 page it says his preferred formation is 4-3-3, but he's also played mostly 3-5-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-1-4-1 at Watford and Maccabi Tel Aviv. Surely he can't be that defensive? As he played as a attacking midfielder too. On 07/01/2021 at 14:23, Incognito Owl said: Found some more: https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/18656331.fans-hilarious-reactions-new-watford-head-coach-vladimir-ivic/ The interesting points are from his former two clubs fans, one from Tel Aviv says "Don't expect for a happy face But he is one great manager He is tough, but loyal to his players, and from what they said in the last few months they just love him" One from his Greek club POAK FC said "Very good coach. People of watford should trust him and i don't know if you guys change coaches every month but this guy knows what he is doing." Another one said "great coaching in the game...with an excellent team behind him..very good with the teammates and players...he can bring calm inside the team and all like a family (Haha)..hard working and talented.believe me a great choice! Exactly...believe him and give him space to make his best..from the first game you are going to see his work.." I'll try and dig out some more later from the Watford forum maybe. Again I post these. I posted them again some pages a go with people not knowing about him, but don't know if the majority of people saw them with the amount of posts being posted. I posted them originally in this thread when I researched Ivić. Please read them and the links if you haven't and see what you think, most of them are positive. I didn't want to research some negatives at Watford i.e. the player power saga. As I didn't think Ivić was to blame, as Watford fans have stated. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo1867 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Have to say I'd be much more confident of staying up if we appointed Cook instead of this fella, who I don't know much about - and that's the reason why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Wonder how George Graham would be viewed these days.. sometimes organised and well drilled can be effective 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Roscoe P. Coltrane said: Remember Rudi Austin . he'd give "Didds Harris" a run for his money Rozzer ......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tommo1867 said: Have to say I'd be much more confident of staying up if we appointed Cook instead of this fella, who I don't know much about - and that's the reason why. Well go and read up on him then you will know more about him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgrade_owl Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Rev Owl said: Surely nothing to do with Brexit. Serbia not an EU country so would have as much right or otherwise as any non-EU citizen? 1 hour ago, sherlyegg said: Nothing to do with brexit btw... 1 hour ago, Hookowl said: Correct....................................Serbia not in EU.................. He's got Greek passport as well. He didn't need work permit for Watford job because of duo citizenship. Now he needs one because of Brexit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl in Manc Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 What odds did everyone get, when they lumped on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, belgrade_owl said: Now he needs one because of Brexit Not strictly true unless you know otherwise. He could have applied for settled status in the UK while at Watford, in which case he's free to leave the UK for a couple of years and still keep his work status in the UK. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Thinking about this you have two managers up for job. Both competent coaches with decent records. Cook said to be life and soul of party would raise spirits and always grinning. Generally gets on with players as long as they fall into line. Ivic said to be dour and has demeanour of an undertaker. Known as strict authoritarian and disciplinarian. Got sacked at Watford as generally disliked by players although results were good. Last manager TP could not get players to play for him and adopt his style Who would Chansiri go for when presented with such a choice. Yes he would go for the undertaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellbeaten-the-owl Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Manwë said: Not strictly true unless you know otherwise. He could have applied for settled status in the UK while at Watford, in which case he's free to leave the UK for a couple of years and still keep his work status in the UK. Couldn't have applied for settled status but could of applied for pre settled status. If agent was on the ball he may have done 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 37 minutes ago, Lucas Joao's Tooth said: Watford hire and fire all the time it's nothing new. Point is you can't go on his stats when he's managed the top teams in poor divisions where the teams he's managed are always top 4 He is difficult to judge by no means i'm saying he's a bad or good manager but the stats presented are skewed, it's like going to Celtic or Rangers it's virtually impossible to leave with a poor record. We can't afford to gamble on a unknown quality he's had 20 games at this level. It's a high risk appointment at this stage of the season and it's another one that's been in Watford circles. Sooner we cut these dodgy little advisors and boxing promoters off the better, unfortunately we know it's never going to happen. Wouldnt be my choice, and I agree it can’t just be stats based but by the same token we can’t point to Watford and use that against him and discredit his entire cv. When I heard we were getting Carlos Carvalhal in who had about 14 clubs and hadn’t worked for a while other than in UAE then I was scratching my head. But when I heard him talk I could see why he had impressed. Barnsley have kissed a few frogs with mixed results. Must be something about the obscure ones who do well enough to get a job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Ray Von shabba said: That's fecked it then Why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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