Matt Penney - Swindon

[Orlando_Trustful]

Not sure he's quite up to the Champ level yet, although I can still remember him looking amazing at Villa away a few years ago. 

 

I think he needs a few seasons in L1 (although that could be with us). 

[room0035]

13 hours ago, WhiteOwl91 said:

I slightly disagree in a sense. 

 

If Luongo was available, you'd play Luongo because he's the better more experienced player at this moment in time. Youngsters often need senior players to become unavailable or missing out to get a chance, or really show something off the bench, that's just the way of the world. 

 

This situation has afforded Shaw an opportunity, so far he's taken it and showing what he can do. 

 

There's been a gap at Left Back all season, Penney clearly hasn't taken that opportunity either in the first couple of matches or in training. 

If he had shown enough, he'd be in just like Shaw and Hunt before him.

 

Also on his stint in Germany, there were a number of bench appearances amongst that, so he didnt really do 'very well', he clearly did ok but its not like he was a 30 game mainstay of their side. 

Thats the same league that Van Aken was performing in last season, who started more games for his club than Penney did for his.

Penney has not had any opportunities because he hasn't played.

[WhiteOwl91]

Just now, room0035 said:

Penney has not had any opportunities because he hasn't played.

Getting first team appearances isn’t a charity, you have to earn it.

 

They have that opportunity every day they’re in training. He clearly hasn’t taken it.

[room0035]

1 hour ago, WhiteOwl91 said:

Getting first team appearances isn’t a charity, you have to earn it.

 

They have that opportunity every day they’re in training. He clearly hasn’t taken it.

Monk was a muppet who played a 3 at the back with players not able to play the system and Harris a winger on the left a right footer who cannot cross with his left foot and has less goals in the last year that Tom lees playing centre back.

 

Pulis was an even bigger tool playing centre backs as full backs.

 

We could have had Cafu and Roberto Carlos at full back and they would not have got a game under these fools.

 

As I said the only reason Shaw got a chance was because there was no one else, if Luongo had been fit he would have been released at the end of this season. The policy with Monk and Pulis is youth only gets a chance if no one else in the senior squad can play or be moved to cover that position.

 

We need a manager next who gives youth a chance, but equally does not just throw them in when they are clearly not ready ala Jos. Then the millions we are wasting on loans and transfer might not be needed as much and we start living within the financial rules. Who knows we might even develop a good one and get millions in like derby did last season with Bogle and Lowe

 

 

[pazowl55]

21 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Monk was a muppet who played a 3 at the back with players not able to play the system and Harris a winger on the left a right footer who cannot cross with his left foot and has less goals in the last year that Tom lees playing centre back.

 

Pulis was an even bigger tool playing centre backs as full backs.

 

We could have had Cafu and Roberto Carlos at full back and they would not have got a game under these fools.

 

As I said the only reason Shaw got a chance was because there was no one else, if Luongo had been fit he would have been released at the end of this season. The policy with Monk and Pulis is youth only gets a chance if no one else in the senior squad can play or be moved to cover that position.

 

We need a manager next who gives youth a chance, but equally does not just throw them in when they are clearly not ready ala Jos. Then the millions we are wasting on loans and transfer might not be needed as much and we start living within the financial rules. Who knows we might even develop a good one and get millions in like derby did last season with Bogle and Lowe

 

 

Monk started Penney in his first two games this season as left wingback. Then he completely dropped him after that having seem something that Penney clearly wasn't up to doing. Pulis had him on the bench virtually every match but never used him. 

The problem in this case is Penney not the two managers.

[room0035]

14 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

Monk started Penney in his first two games this season as left wingback. Then he completely dropped him after that having seem something that Penney clearly wasn't up to doing. Pulis had him on the bench virtually every match but never used him. 

The problem in this case is Penney not the two managers.

Didn't we take 4 points from the first two games, then take 5 points from his next 9 games maybe he should not have dropped him. 

[Mike Hunt]

30 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Monk was a muppet who played a 3 at the back with players not able to play the system and Harris a winger on the left a right footer who cannot cross with his left foot and has less goals in the last year that Tom lees playing centre back.

 

Pulis was an even bigger tool playing centre backs as full backs.

 

We could have had Cafu and Roberto Carlos at full back and they would not have got a game under these fools.

 

As I said the only reason Shaw got a chance was because there was no one else, if Luongo had been fit he would have been released at the end of this season. The policy with Monk and Pulis is youth only gets a chance if no one else in the senior squad can play or be moved to cover that position.

 

We need a manager next who gives youth a chance, but equally does not just throw them in when they are clearly not ready ala Jos. Then the millions we are wasting on loans and transfer might not be needed as much and we start living within the financial rules. Who knows we might even develop a good one and get millions in like derby did last season with Bogle and Lowe

 

 

Released at the end of the season??????

How the hell would you know that ? 

[Sensible Soccer]

I think we all want for him to come good for us as he has shown some promise... it’s really a sad state of our academy that does this as we have very little coming through to get excited about so the first whiff of any talent get completely overhyped....

 

I did feel for him when he broke into the team and then seemed to join a list of players playing out of position. 

[pazowl55]

1 minute ago, room0035 said:

Didn't we take 4 points from the first two games, then take 5 points from his next 9 games maybe he should not have dropped him. 

I suppose its the same theory as the Rhodes one. Both offer you very little but an attacking option so you are almost forced to go for games Bielsa style.

Only thing I can come up with as to why we seem to do better when they play.  Reason both are not picked is because managers don't like the all out attacking approach.

Penney was dropped for Harris because you get that same attacking threat going forward but Harris actually gets back into position and helps out the defence aswell.

[room0035]

17 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

 I suppose its the same theory as the Rhodes one. Both offer you very little but an attacking option so you are almost forced to go for games Bielsa style.

Only thing I can come up with as to why we seem to do better when they play.  Reason both are not picked is because managers don't like the all out attacking approach.

Penney was dropped for Harris because you get that same attacking threat going forward but Harris actually gets back into position and helps out the defence aswell.

You mean the same way Monk, did not pick Hutch, Westwood or Fessi but when all 3 played we had more chance of winning the game nd scoring goals.

 

I think it say more about the manager inability to get the best out of his players rather than the players not being good enough or trouble makers.

 

Harris has ben utter gash for over a year, he cannot cross with his left foot, a kid in the park can cross better with both feet, he cannot - he is a full backs dream as he never attack on the outside, because he is soo one footed, you know he is going to cut in field and most of the time its whether it goes for a throw-in rather than a goal kick he has not scored a goal for 46 games that a full season and has 1 assist all this season in 20 games. Tom Lees and Liam Shaw are more prolific than our attacking threat.

 

[pazowl55]

5 minutes ago, room0035 said:

You mean the same way Monk, did not pick Hutch, Westwood or Fessi but when all 3 played we had more chance of winning the game nd scoring goals.

 

I think it say more about the manager inability to get the best out of his players rather than the players not being good enough or trouble makers.

 

Harris has ben utter gash for over a year, he cannot cross with his left foot, a kid in the park can cross better with both feet, he cannot - he is a full backs dream as he never attack on the outside, because he is soo one footed, you know he is going to cut in field and most of the time its whether it goes for a throw-in rather than a goal kick he has not scored a goal for 46 games that a full season and has 1 assist all this season in 20 games. Tom Lees and Liam Shaw are more prolific than our attacking threat.

 

At the end of the day you have to work as hard without the ball as you do with it. Penney just doest seem to do that and it's why he hasn't progressed as he should have because he is a good player on the ball going forward.

[Dutch McLovin]

1 hour ago, WhiteOwl91 said:

Getting first team appearances isn’t a charity, you have to earn it.

 

They have that opportunity every day they’re in training. He clearly hasn’t taken it.

Penney started the first 2 league games of the season and kept 2 clean sheets. Whilst he was no standout in those games he was not lacking.

 

In his previous spell with us he started very well at left back. However his performances dropped as he was moved around and even ended up playing right center forward one game... so you would expect that.

 

On his time in Germany he was very well received and the fans of St Pauli were much happier when he was in the side. However as we know with JosBall he changes formation and personnel week on week regardless of result.

 

Now you are right players have to show something in training to earn a place and i am not privy to what happens there. But when he has played left back for us or St Pauli from what ive seen he listens well to his CH, his first instinct is to stop the cross, and while he may be far from a finished article he has that attacking instinct and can deliver a nice ball. All this IMO should have allowed him a run of games at first team level (say 7-8 games guaranteed starts) to see if he is up to it.

[room0035]

14 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said:

Penney started the first 2 league games of the season and kept 2 clean sheets. Whilst he was no standout in those games he was not lacking.

 

In his previous spell with us he started very well at left back. However his performances dropped as he was moved around and even ended up playing right center forward one game... so you would expect that.

 

On his time in Germany he was very well received and the fans of St Pauli were much happier when he was in the side. However as we know with JosBall he changes formation and personnel week on week regardless of result.

 

Now you are right players have to show something in training to earn a place and i am not privy to what happens there. But when he has played left back for us or St Pauli from what ive seen he listens well to his CH, his first instinct is to stop the cross, and while he may be far from a finished article he has that attacking instinct and can deliver a nice ball. All this IMO should have allowed him a run of games at first team level (say 7-8 games guaranteed starts) to see if he is up to it.

So you agree with me then he should be given a run in the team. 

[Dutch McLovin]

2 minutes ago, room0035 said:

So you agree with me then he should be given a run in the team. 

Yes. we neec plenty of new players in this team. why spend what little money we have on a left back when we could have one already on our books !

[toooldforthis]

On 04/01/2021 at 10:03, Johnny Concrete said:

Considering he is really our only natural left back, ok Reach can play there but he's more of a winger, this doesn't make sense.

 

 I would hope the club have plans to bring in another left back.

 

I'm pretty sure he'll be replaced with another right back...WAWAW

[WhiteOwl91]

4 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said:

Penney started the first 2 league games of the season and kept 2 clean sheets. Whilst he was no standout in those games he was not lacking.

 

In his previous spell with us he started very well at left back. However his performances dropped as he was moved around and even ended up playing right center forward one game... so you would expect that.

 

On his time in Germany he was very well received and the fans of St Pauli were much happier when he was in the side. However as we know with JosBall he changes formation and personnel week on week regardless of result.

 

Now you are right players have to show something in training to earn a place and i am not privy to what happens there. But when he has played left back for us or St Pauli from what ive seen he listens well to his CH, his first instinct is to stop the cross, and while he may be far from a finished article he has that attacking instinct and can deliver a nice ball. All this IMO should have allowed him a run of games at first team level (say 7-8 games guaranteed starts) to see if he is up to it.

There was obviously a reason Monk decided after 2 games that enough was enough though. Either not delivering on what they were expecting on the pitch, tactically or otherwise, or off field who knows, but he was clearly prepared to play him from the start and then that changed. 

 

And any comparisons with the Westwood and Hutchinson exclusions aren't correct. Both of those were/are established players who have proven their ability, so those decisions were taken for other reasons. 

Penney doesn't have that to fall back on, so whatever the reason for bombing him out, Monk clearly didnt think he was going to be a solution to save his job. 

 

At the end of the day we have a weakness in the squad at left back and had either manager thought Penney was going to give them a better chance to succeed at the role, they would have picked him. 

 

 

[room0035]

19 minutes ago, WhiteOwl91 said:

There was obviously a reason Monk decided after 2 games that enough was enough though. Either not delivering on what they were expecting on the pitch, tactically or otherwise, or off field who knows, but he was clearly prepared to play him from the start and then that changed. 

 

And any comparisons with the Westwood and Hutchinson exclusions aren't correct. Both of those were/are established players who have proven their ability, so those decisions were taken for other reasons. 

Penney doesn't have that to fall back on, so whatever the reason for bombing him out, Monk clearly didnt think he was going to be a solution to save his job. 

 

At the end of the day we have a weakness in the squad at left back and had either manager thought Penney was going to give them a better chance to succeed at the role, they would have picked him. 

 

 

The comparison with Hitch and KW was simple making the point that monk did not play the best player for the position he had.

 

Had he kept playing Penney instead of dropping him we could now be talking about what a great player he is becoming or the fact that he just is not good enough for this level either way give the lad a 8-10 games run in the team at full back and see how he does. But to right him off as not good enough when clearly the little he has played show that not to be the case.

 

Managers have favorite. - What would have happen to Morgan Fox, completely useless for 2 season given a chance under Monk and became a good full back last season for us. We are very quick to write people off without giving them a chance. Maybe a few more lads should be given a run in the team but equally when clearly they are useless, such as Harris why do other keep getting chases when they add little to nothing to the team.

[WhiteOwl91]

17 minutes ago, room0035 said:

The comparison with Hitch and KW was simple making the point that monk did not play the best player for the position he had.

 

Had he kept playing Penney instead of dropping him we could now be talking about what a great player he is becoming or the fact that he just is not good enough for this level either way give the lad a 8-10 games run in the team at full back and see how he does. But to right him off as not good enough when clearly the little he has played show that not to be the case.

 

Managers have favorite. - What would have happen to Morgan Fox, completely useless for 2 season given a chance under Monk and became a good full back last season for us. We are very quick to write people off without giving them a chance. Maybe a few more lads should be given a run in the team but equally when clearly they are useless, such as Harris why do other keep getting chases when they add little to nothing to the team.

But perhaps theres a reason the manager is employed and fans are not? 

 

Fox was given a chance when the fans would have binned him because the management saw something in him, clearly. 

A manager isn't going to select a player he knows isn't good enough just to make it clear to the fans hes not good enough!

[room0035]

15 minutes ago, WhiteOwl91 said:

But perhaps theres a reason the manager is employed and fans are not? 

 

Fox was given a chance when the fans would have binned him because the management saw something in him, clearly. 

A manager isn't going to select a player he knows isn't good enough just to make it clear to the fans hes not good enough!

Indeed but equally the same manager had a team 3rd in the table with players in, then decided to not play players and he would have got us relegated had the season gone on another 5 or 6 games. 

 

We have had two very poor manager the last 2. One in Monk didn't have a clue what he was doing and the other in Pulis would never pick Penney because he is not 6ft central defender.

 

Had we had Farke, Wagner, Cook, Frank all manager who play a more aggressive attacking style they would probably have played Penney.

 

Look I hope we keep him and give him a run in the team, if he goes elsewhere good luck to the lad as I think given a run in the team he will prove to be a very good signing for Swindon and if they play the way they did pre Co-vid then he will get plenty of chances to score and contribute with assists.

[Themagiccap]

Swindon have just signed a left back so I doubt this will happen.