The GuruJuan Transfer Megathread 2021 (and beyond)

[Jamie]

19 minutes ago, bigash_swfc said:

Uwakwe

We don’t need any more midfielders… can’t see this one personally 

[Guest LondonOwl313]

17 hours ago, room0035 said:

He was due to go out on loan before DC asked for a £10k a week loan fee, that led to his agent asking for more than the money DC offered. Which led to the stand off.

 

The really hilarious thing is though Leicester City signed him, but through a feeder club and the EFL, the FA and the Premier League did absolutely nothing. So this sort of transaction will become more and more common in football that why its so important to have youth players on longer deals.

 

Hunt has a good loan at Grimsby, he comes back with 6 months on his contract, a Premier league team via a feeder club or Scottish team picks him up for about £200k a player we have had for 12 years. All for the sake of about £50k a season in wages.

I doubt Hunt is going to play in the conference and then get picked up by a PL team.

 

He's 21.. if he was going to make it he would have by now and he still looks like a 12 year old.

 

There's nothing wrong with players contracts running down, we've lost players because we didn't offer them what they could get elsewhere. I'm sure Hirst, Shaw and Urgohide could have stayed had we made them the right offers at the time but we didn't. It's a myth that we can correctly identify and tie down the good ones because 1. its hard to know who will make it at that age and 2. even if they sign, and a better team comes in they'll be off. The player and club have to be a good fit at all times otherwise one way or another they'll leave.

 

What's more likely to happen is you end up with a dozen players on contracts too long who you want to shift but can't... that then clogs up the system for the next batch of youngsters coming through. I think we should focus on the 16-18 year olds we have that look good rather than the 21 year olds who haven't made an impression having trained with the first team for years.

 

 

[Mick70]

4 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

Exactly my point....

 

We offered them too long a deal, otherwise we could have cut our losses earlier for nothing.

The problem you’ve got when at the top end of the championship ( like we were at the time ) most of those clubs are fighting for the same players? I remember fletcher was supposed to be going to Norwich then about turn and came here probably cus we offered 4 yr deal instead of 3 yr?  Think Football will now change cus of covid19 and players will have less choices atm? But you’re right it came back and bit us on the Arse with quite a few players 

[room0035]

34 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

I doubt Hunt is going to play in the conference and then get picked up by a PL team.

 

He's 21.. if he was going to make it he would have by now and he still looks like a 12 year old.

 

There's nothing wrong with players contracts running down, we've lost players because we didn't offer them what they could get elsewhere. I'm sure Hirst, Shaw and Urgohide could have stayed had we made them the right offers at the time but we didn't. It's a myth that we can correctly identify and tie down the good ones because 1. its hard to know who will make it at that age and 2. even if they sign, and a better team comes in they'll be off. The player and club have to be a good fit at all times otherwise one way or another they'll leave.

 

What's more likely to happen is you end up with a dozen players on contracts too long who you want to shift but can't... that then clogs up the system for the next batch of youngsters coming through. I think we should focus on the 16-18 year olds we have that look good rather than the 21 year olds who haven't made an impression having trained with the first team for years.

 

Indeed every players makes it by 21 or they never make it.

 

How many first team games has hunt had again. 

 

You have a very narrow mind of football luckily, for SWFC you are not in charge. If players dont play they will never make it. Its a good job your views were not used for other or many great players of the past and now would have been thrown on the scrap heap.

[bladeshater]

4 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Indeed every players makes it by 21 or they never make it.

 

How many first team games has hunt had again. 

 

You have a very narrow mind of football luckily, for SWFC you are not in charge. If players dont play they will never make it. Its a good job your views were not used for other or many great players of the past and now would have been thrown on the scrap heap.

Doubt he will play 30 games in LGE 1 having watched him numerous times time will tell

[pazowl55]

48 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

I doubt Hunt is going to play in the conference and then get picked up by a PL team.

 

He's 21.. if he was going to make it he would have by now and he still looks like a 12 year old.

 

There's nothing wrong with players contracts running down, we've lost players because we didn't offer them what they could get elsewhere. I'm sure Hirst, Shaw and Urgohide could have stayed had we made them the right offers at the time but we didn't. It's a myth that we can correctly identify and tie down the good ones because 1. its hard to know who will make it at that age and 2. even if they sign, and a better team comes in they'll be off. The player and club have to be a good fit at all times otherwise one way or another they'll leave.

 

What's more likely to happen is you end up with a dozen players on contracts too long who you want to shift but can't... that then clogs up the system for the next batch of youngsters coming through. I think we should focus on the 16-18 year olds we have that look good rather than the 21 year olds who haven't made an impression having trained with the first team for years.

 

 

Stobbs is the perfect example of this.

[malek]

1 minute ago, pazowl55 said:

Stobbs is the perfect example of this.

 

There are not perfect examples as every player is unique and you simply can't solve who will and wont make it like a math problem.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

6 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Indeed every players makes it by 21 or they never make it.

 

How many first team games has hunt had again. 

 

You have a very narrow mind of football luckily, for SWFC you are not in charge. If players dont play they will never make it. Its a good job your views were not used for other or many great players of the past and now would have been thrown on the scrap heap.

You must be related to him or something to get all defensive like that. Sorry but he’s not good enough.

 

It doesn’t matter how many games he’s actually played, he’s been on a full time pro contract with us for at least 3 years now. That means he’s trained every day with the first team players under the first team coaches and manager. So they’ve all seen what he can do and haven’t deemed him able to play at the required level. Training is his opportunity to make his mark and prove he’s better than those already in the team, but for whatever reason he’s not done that.

 

We need players coming through who have the potential to play at championship level or above given that’s where the club will want to be ASAP and hopefully this is only a short stint in league 1. If he’s not going to ever be at that level then it’s a waste of time.

 

He’s the same age as Sancho and older than Foden.. most players do make it by his age if they’re going to. The chances of making it are dropping all the time as he gets older. Obviously there are examples of some making it later like a Vardy, but it’s few and far between.

 

Statistically the young lads doing well in the under 18s have a better chance of making it at this age. Thankfully you’re not in charge either as you’d sign up a dozen no hopers on long contracts.

 

 

[pazowl55]

4 minutes ago, malek said:

 

There are not perfect examples as every player is unique and you simply can't solve who will and wont make it like a math problem.

Seems to fit what he said to me.

[modboy]

Win some , lose some re bosmans as proven by our promising free signings this summer. Everton lad was valued at £4m once in his career.

[bigash_swfc]

1 hour ago, Jamie said:

We don’t need any more midfielders… can’t see this one personally 

 

Done Deal

[Jamie]

9 minutes ago, bigash_swfc said:

 

Done Deal

Believe it when I see it 

[moyaowl]

20 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

You must be related to him or something to get all defensive like that. Sorry but he’s not good enough.

 

It doesn’t matter how many games he’s actually played, he’s been on a full time pro contract with us for at least 3 years now. That means he’s trained every day with the first team players under the first team coaches and manager. So they’ve all seen what he can do and haven’t deemed him able to play at the required level. Training is his opportunity to make his mark and prove he’s better than those already in the team, but for whatever reason he’s not done that.

 

We need players coming through who have the potential to play at championship level or above given that’s where the club will want to be ASAP and hopefully this is only a short stint in league 1. If he’s not going to ever be at that level then it’s a waste of time.

 

He’s the same age as Sancho and older than Foden.. most players do make it by his age if they’re going to. The chances of making it are dropping all the time as he gets older. Obviously there are examples of some making it later like a Vardy, but it’s few and far between.

 

Statistically the young lads doing well in the under 18s have a better chance of making it at this age. Thankfully you’re not in charge either as you’d sign up a dozen no hopers on long contracts.

 

 

Jamie Vardy was 25 when he made his football league debut, we let him go from our academy. Other players have made their debut and gone on to great things from a younger age, you can't put all players in the same bracket as they will all develop at various rates. Hunt may or may not make it, he's been loaned out to gain more experience and may come back much better for it, he may not though. He's been around the first team for some time now so must have something about him to be in and around the set up.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

8 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

USMNT are ranked 20th in the world.

 

They certainly aren't garbage.

They’re ranked 10th now I think but I’m not sure they’re the 10th best in the world though regardless of what the world rankings say. Germany and Holland are below them but most people would say they have some world class players.

 

They only have Pulisic who’s a top player, they’ve got a few other like Steffan at Man City but that’s no better than say a Wales who have Bale and Ramsay.

 

They never do anything at a World Cup and their equivalent of the Euros is a bit of a joke competition between them and Mexico. So it’s hard for FIFA to rank them all as they don’t come up against top opponents often enough.

 

Would definitely have them behind the big 10 (8 European sides and the 2 South American), then would take some of the smaller European and South American sides like a Denmark, Sweden, Columbia etc ahead of the US. It’s just not a priority for them.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

4 minutes ago, moyaowl said:

Jamie Vardy was 25 when he made his football league debut, we let him go from our academy. Other players have made their debut and gone on to great things from a younger age, you can't put all players in the same bracket as they will all develop at various rates. Hunt may or may not make it, he's been loaned out to gain more experience and may come back much better for it, he may not though. He's been around the first team for some time now so must have something about him to be in and around the set up.

Yes.. and Vardy is the exception I mentioned, he’s not the rule. 
 

Clubs have to make decisions on players as you can’t stock pile dozens of them on the off chance they come good.

 

Focus should be on some of the younger lads who given the right guidance, getting them loans etc will have a better chance.

 

The likes of Hunt have been let down by the club tbh as he needed a loan a few years ago. But the decision is on whether he’s good enough right now given where he’s at, not on where he should have been at had we managed him better.

[Bigger Guns]

3 hours ago, Chris Apolon said:

 

I do find it bizarre that you make a comment (or anyone for that matter) and you get absolutely worn down about the opinion you have

 

You, like the majority of the fanbase, havent seen this kid play. He may be great, he may not be and you've taken a neutral standpoint and get pelters for doing so

Absolutely crazy isn’t it mate. Some right ne’er-do-wells on here 

[room0035]

2 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said:

You must be related to him or something to get all defensive like that. Sorry but he’s not good enough.

 

It doesn’t matter how many games he’s actually played, he’s been on a full time pro contract with us for at least 3 years now. That means he’s trained every day with the first team players under the first team coaches and manager. So they’ve all seen what he can do and haven’t deemed him able to play at the required level. Training is his opportunity to make his mark and prove he’s better than those already in the team, but for whatever reason he’s not done that.

 

We need players coming through who have the potential to play at championship level or above given that’s where the club will want to be ASAP and hopefully this is only a short stint in league 1. If he’s not going to ever be at that level then it’s a waste of time.

 

He’s the same age as Sancho and older than Foden.. most players do make it by his age if they’re going to. The chances of making it are dropping all the time as he gets older. Obviously there are examples of some making it later like a Vardy, but it’s few and far between.

 

Statistically the young lads doing well in the under 18s have a better chance of making it at this age. Thankfully you’re not in charge either as you’d sign up a dozen no hopers on long contracts.

 

 

Well its a good not everyone thinks like you or one of our greatest players of the last 40 years never would have been.

 

Chris Waddle didn't make his professional debut until the age of 20 and by 21 he had barely played 20 games but lucky Newcastle didnt follow your rule of thumb and as they say he went on to have a very good career.

 

Players bloom at different times, but if they sit in the reserves playing no first team games either here or on loan they will never progress.

 

We are useless at managing talented youth players, we won the  under 18 league a few years back and none of the players came through all deemed not good enough because they did not instantly become championship standard players, our development from under18 to first team is none existent.

 

Presumably the like of Cademarei who played for the under 18 wont be good enough either, or Hagan or Brennan because if they cannot get into the team straight away they must be not good enough.

 

Lets hope with Moore here there is a change to this and youth players are giving game time either here or on loan elsewhere.

 

maybe just maybe someone is Finally trying to develop these players.

[prowl]

59 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Players bloom at different times, but if they sit in the reserves playing no first team games either here or on loan they will never progress.

 

We are useless at managing talented youth players, we won the  under 18 league a few years back and none of the players came through all deemed not good enough because they did not instantly become championship standard players, our development from under18 to first team is none existent.

 

Presumably the like of Cademarei who played for the under 18 wont be good enough either, or Hagan or Brennan because if they cannot get into the team straight away they must be not good enough.

 

Lets hope with Moore here there is a change to this and youth players are giving game time either here or on loan elsewhere.

 

maybe just maybe someone is Finally trying to develop these players.

Personally I think going back to the reserve team system rather than U23's woulld be much better for young players. At least they would play with pro players more regularly, either first tean fringe players or those trying to get fitness. U23's just doesn't give them the same experience. A young player who shines in the reserves has more chance of progression than one who does well playing U23 games.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

59 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Well its a good not everyone thinks like you or one of our greatest players of the last 40 years never would have been.

 

Chris Waddle didn't make his professional debut until the age of 20 and by 21 he had barely played 20 games but lucky Newcastle didnt follow your rule of thumb and as they say he went on to have a very good career.

 

Players bloom at different times, but if they sit in the reserves playing no first team games either here or on loan they will never progress.

 

We are useless at managing talented youth players, we won the  under 18 league a few years back and none of the players came through all deemed not good enough because they did not instantly become championship standard players, our development from under18 to first team is none existent.

 

Presumably the like of Cademarei who played for the under 18 wont be good enough either, or Hagan or Brennan because if they cannot get into the team straight away they must be not good enough.

 

Lets hope with Moore here there is a change to this and youth players are giving game time either here or on loan elsewhere.

 

maybe just maybe someone is Finally trying to develop these players.

You’re going back to the 80s there though.. similarly Stuart Pearce and Ian Wright were the same. In the modern game though most players come through academies and sink or swim by early 20s. 
 

I hope he proves me wrong and his odds of making it aren’t zero, it’s just the probability is against him. Sooner or later decisions have to be made as you can’t hold on indefinitely.. what if he gets to 23, 24 and still not there.. are we supposed to wait until he’s 30.

 

The 17 and 18 year olds coming through including Cadamarteri have a better chance of making it than Hunt as they have more time to develop and get in the side.

 

They need first team games.. leaving them all playing under 23s and training here has stunted their development. Would imagine a lot of our younger players are quite comfortable calling themselves pros, training and playing youth games.. they need to push harder and demand first team games here or elsewhere if they want to have longevity in the game.

 

[Beauchief Owl]

10 minutes ago, prowl said:

Personally I think going back to the reserve team system rather than U23's woulld be much better for young players. At least they would play with pro players more regularly, either first tean fringe players or those trying to get fitness. U23's just doesn't give them the same experience. A young player who shines in the reserves has more chance of progression than one who does well playing U23 games.

The old Central League system was much, much better than the current U23 set up. Often used to pop along and see a match at Hillsborough when the first team were playing away.